Skirrow
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 11:15 AM |
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Emissions and age of donor
Hi there,
I'm not actually building a locost, its a Mini based ABS freestyle, but you guys seem to be quite knowledgeable so hopefully someone can help me
out.
Thre kit I'm building is hopefully to be put through an SVA test. The donor car was made in 1992 and is fitted with a CAT,
the engine number also identify's it as being fitted with a CAT. I
will have to remove the CAT to make the exhaust fit.
If I put this through the SVA, will it be subject to higher emmisions
tests for CAT cars?
And what if I were to swap the engine on the donor now for an older,
non-CAT engine, inform the DVLA, and then break the car as a donor?
Would it still be subject to a CAT test even though the eninge number
says that it's a non-CAT.
And finally, what if I had another donor, E-reg but with an engine I don't want to use. Could I put the good CAT-engine in that, inform the
DVLA, scrap it then have a non-CAT MOT.
I'm just tryng to avoid having to pass the CAT test as on a Mini it's quite hard even with the CAT in place
Cheers,
Dave
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 11:30 AM |
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when you say mini based... are you retaining the original chassis at all ?
if so you can avoid SVA altogether
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 11:30 AM |
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Even though some cars were fitted with cats prior to the 1995 cutoff date it is only engines fitted to cars after that date that need to comply to the
more stringent test. Therefore you should be fine.
HTH Gordon
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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Skirrow
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 12:35 PM |
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Protofj- Its needs to SVAed as it has a new chassis. Its an off road buggy type thing with the engine at the rear driving the rear wheels.
MK-Ninja- That sounds like good news. Are you 100% on that? I imagine that you are right but I want to be 100% before I commit. Also, in the past , at
least 1 MOT inpector have checked the engine number and subsequently did the more stringent test. Perhaps it was his error. I hope you are right
though, it will save me a load of hassle.
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zetec
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 01:55 PM |
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I think the reason we can get through the SVA and MOT without a cat on anything is in the words of the rules.
They say something along the line of the tester must test the engine as per the year of the car, and to the emissions for that car in the Emissions
Handbook thingy. So Mr. Tester knows the age of the engine because you have proof from the manufacturer, he now looks for your car....Can't
find it listed so has to test as not fitted with a cat if pre "95.
It would be almost impossible for VOSA to list all kits/self build cars as they all tend to be different, and as there are so few as a percentage they
don't bother.
So at the moment any pre 95 (think July "95 but not 100%) need not have a cat fitted. Next week who knows!
Got this info from SVA training bloke after Dax and a few other companies said a cat would be a must on any zetec powered car.
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spunky
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 01:58 PM |
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Fear not,
I'll back Gordon up, only post '95 engines are subjected to cat test.
But they do like shifting goalposts, so don't take too long with the build...
I like the Freestyle, looks a lot of fun.
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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BMF
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 02:26 PM |
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MOT EMISSION relevant to KITCARS
By
Apr 4, 2003, 09:00
Email this article
We’ve just received a press release from the Vehicle Inspectorate concerning emissions and kitcars. With IMMEDIATE EFFECT the concession that allows
‘amateur built’ kits to undergo a ‘visible smoke’ emissions test has been WITHDRAWN.
Until now an amateur built car would need a visible smoke check even if it had passed full SVA emissions the day before.
This is what will now happen when you present your car for MOT.
Have a Look at this guys;
The MOT tester will take the age of the vehicle from the registration plate and also assume that this is the date on which it was first used.
A If your car has an AGE-RELATED plate he’ll assume that the engine is the same age as the plate and do the test accordingly. However, if your
age-related plate refers to pre-Aug 1998 (‘S’ Prefix) you will continue to get the visible smoke test for the life of the vehicle REGARDLESS of the
age of the engine. Remember though that this does NOT include PERSONALISED plates as in this case the vehicle will continue to be tested according to
its age and NOT the vehicle registration number.
B If your vehicle has a CURRENT/NEW plate or one that is after 1st August 1998, you will get a ‘basic’ emissions test, which is a basic check
conducted to set limits carried out BEFORE the ‘CAT’ test. If you pass…..GREAT. If you fail though you’ll be subject to a full ‘by-the-book’ CAT test,
plus remember that if you fail this you’ll also fail the MOT. Of course there are plenty of CURRENT/NEW registered kits running around with
reconditioned engines so in this instance you will have to prove the age of the engine to the MOT tester. Ideally you should have a copy of your SVA
MAC ‘pass’ certificate, which will be sufficient. Otherwise you will have to get a letter from the engines manufacturer stating clearly what year the
engine was made.
C Cars with a ‘Q’ plate are regarded as being of uncertain age so therefore will continue to be subject to the visible smoke test. We think
this will suddenly make ‘Q’ plates cool again!
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Skirrow
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| posted on 16/7/04 at 04:56 PM |
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Well, that all sounds pretty good to me people. Hopefully I will be able to obtain an MOT on that basis.
Thanks for your help guys. 
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spunky
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| posted on 17/7/04 at 09:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BMF
MOT EMISSION relevant to KITCARS
By
Apr 4, 2003, 09:00
Email this article
We’ve just received a press release from the Vehicle Inspectorate concerning emissions and kitcars. With IMMEDIATE EFFECT the concession that allows
‘amateur built’ kits to undergo a ‘visible smoke’ emissions test has been WITHDRAWN.
© Copyright http://www.totalkitcar.com
'WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT'
So thats 15 months ago, and Lincoln VRO don't know about it neither does my local MOT station....
amazing communication
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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