JAG
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| posted on 28/5/26 at 12:57 PM |
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The Rise of Chinese car manufacturers
BBC News Story
What do you guys think of this?
The British/American/European car industry is facing an, almost, overwhelming influx of Chinese made cars.
Cars like the Jaecoo 7 and BYD Seal are popping up just about everywhere.
I think that the British/American/European car industry has been drawn in by the Chinese Government. Western car manufacturers set up joint venture
businesses with Chinese car manufacturers about 20 years ago (it was the only way to sell cars in China without attracting tarrifs) and now that the
Chinese businesses have learned from them, and added their own EV tech', they are using that expertise to fill the West with Chinese made
cars.
If you add in the Chinese software and technology it's difficult to see how the British/American/European car industry is going to compete.
Do you own an EV?
Do you own a Chinese made car?
Would you buy a Chinese made car?
How can the British/American/European car industry counter this influx of cheaper and better equipped cars?
As a consumer of these products is this a Win-Win situation?
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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loggyboy
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| posted on 28/5/26 at 02:39 PM |
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https://youtu.be/q33XXQDJnQw?t=409
Mistral Motorsport
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westf27
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| posted on 28/5/26 at 04:13 PM |
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Reminds me of the Japanese a bit back in the sixties.Would very often copy first and then look to make it better.They did it with the bikes and then
cars.The difference is I would be more confident with a Japanese vehicle than a Chinese one.Even their steel is dubious and the electronics suspect.My
feeling is that the Chinese thing will go pop at some point.
555
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Slimy38
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| posted on 28/5/26 at 04:46 PM |
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My YouTube feed is just filled with the negative side of Chinese cars. No decent warranty, no parts, no repair panels so cars get written off too
quickly, insurance premiums more than double the equivalent 'local' car for the same reason. I take all of that with a pinch of salt of
course, I suspect most are just clickbait.
As for whether I'd buy one, I'd have to say 'no'. But mainly because I can't justify the cost of an EV from any brand. We
don't do enough mileage to recoup the initial cost.
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Sanzomat
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| posted on 28/5/26 at 08:00 PM |
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You are right - they do seems to be everywhere. The delta in purchase price is clearly a factor, particularly for the private customer who have
previously bought Kia and Hyundai (which now seem to be similar price to european brands). It seems that whichever chinese car maker bought the MG
brand made a good marketing move as two of my inlaws (neither are really car people) have both bought chinese MGs, one EV and one ICE. They really
like them and couldn't have got anywhere near the spec for the price they paid from "local" brands. Insurance premiums are no
different. So far (about 18 months) both are 100% reliable. They both had Qashqais before and both had lots of problems with them so rave about the
quality of the MGs
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JC
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| posted on 29/5/26 at 06:28 AM |
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They are turning cars into ‘white goods’. Identikit mass market dross…..
3 of the biggest players are owned by the state with subsidies that give them a massive competitive edge. Coupled with cheap labour costs, it is
difficult to see how the ‘western’ car industry can compete.
My biggest concern is for data privacy though. It is not for no reason that Chinese cars have been banned from some military bases and personnel have
been advised not to plug their phones in through the USB.
‘I’ve got nothing to hide’ you may say, but everyone has something of value - whether that’s personal data or sensitive work emails/information.
I was tempted by the MG Cyberster about a year ago, but for these reasons alone I didn’t look too much into it.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 29/5/26 at 07:03 PM |
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quote:
They are turning cars into ‘white goods’. Identikit mass market dross…..
Almost all cars are these days, don't kid yourself that anyone is any better. It's what the consumer wants, people don't care about
cars anymore, they just want a box to go from A to B. We are the dinosaurs.
TBH this is just natural cycle of things, we wanted to sell to them, they now want to sell to us. Will they have a cheap labour force to compete with
ours - yes. Can we just make more premium cars instead - yes. But don't think for a second we are significantly better in any aspect, that's
just old racist ways hiding in national pride.
Buy whatever suits your needs and wallet.
https://www.fixmystreet.com/
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Sarah
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| posted on 29/5/26 at 07:50 PM |
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Having seen how the Chinese bought and essentially closed Rover after saying they would be interested in making investments, then pulling the rug,
tipping MGR to bankruptcy, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit.
Also, if you buy a chinese car now, be prepared to lose a lot of money - if it's cheap now, it will be worthless come replacement time due to
flooding of market.
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Benzine
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| posted on 29/5/26 at 10:37 PM |
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We've been sending money abroad for decades. Choose local? Nah, send the money overseas for a cheap alternative.
Use a local shop and order something in? Nah, choose Amazon and get it a little cheaper and to hell with less tax paid towards our country.
Shall I use the human checkout at my local shop/supermarket? Nah, use the self-scan and take away money from my local economy and be happy with fewer
local jobs.
EVERTHING you do is a vote, and the one that has the least effect is at the polling station. Your money is the the biggest vote you have by far!
Choose local every time and the money comes back to your local economy. Choose a "Build Your Dream"* and you can kiss that all goodbye
*Seriously... "Build your dream"?!?! "Yes please. I'd like to place an order for a 'Build Your Dream Sealion" Jesus
curseword Christ.
"Build your dream"?! Have we all gone clinically insane? Rude words.
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 30/5/26 at 10:50 PM |
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Nationalism and protectionism have been proven, time and time again, to be counterproductive. We live in an international market. We can't just
buy local and everything will be fine. We aren't as dense as Trump, are we?
https://www.fixmystreet.com/
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 30/5/26 at 10:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sarah
Having seen how the Chinese bought and essentially closed Rover after saying they would be interested in making investments, then pulling the rug,
tipping MGR to bankruptcy, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit.
Also, if you buy a chinese car now, be prepared to lose a lot of money - if it's cheap now, it will be worthless come replacement time due to
flooding of market.
You've seen how all investing companies make that call right? Even British ones. Money talks, not nations. If you buy a BMW now, expect it to
lose even more as the cheaper cars flood the market with better tech and lower costs. If you think buying local, buying "quality" (a pseudo
metric based on historic data not current), will save you some cash - go for it, but don't expect a local made vehicle to hold any more value.
But just to put some points. MG Rover was sold by a German group to a UK investment group who bankrupted it. The rights to the MG brand and tooling
were bought by a Chinese who are currently using it. Rover was sold by BMW to Tata, as part of the JLR ownership, which currently very much makes
vehicles.
[Edited on 30/5/2026 by coyoteboy]
https://www.fixmystreet.com/
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Benzine
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| posted on 2/6/26 at 08:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Nationalism and protectionism have been proven, time and time again, to be counterproductive. We live in an international market. We can't just
buy local and everything will be fine. We aren't as dense as Trump, are we?
You've confused individual consumer choice with government policy. Talk about "dense as Trump", more like "We aren't all as
dense as a Trump voter, are we?" We all have choices as consumers. Some choices are entirely down to you, and some are not allowed or taken away
from us. I'm just a poster in a kit car forum!
See hierarchy of intelligence below:
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 2/6/26 at 11:20 PM |
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I'm not, I'm talking about the economics of consumer choice. It just doesn't work and only ends up with less choice and higher prices
all round. But each to their own, im all for everyone making their own calls on these things- life's a mix.
https://www.fixmystreet.com/
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steve m
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| posted on 8/8/26 at 12:22 PM |
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I came back on here to see you guys, views
However, !! ive just ordered on a 3 year lease a Jaecoo 7 hybrid plug in, to replace my 6 year old Mondeo. that ive lost around 17k in 4 years
the J7, will cost over 3 years 12k, with no maintenance or mot costs, servicing included with breakdown cover, and a 7 year guarantee
insurance is only £7 a month more than the Mondeo
My main reason for this deal, is the hybrid part, as 85% of my journeys are within 10 miles from home, and 10% within 30 miles
and twice a year 200 miles, so in theory, minimal petrol will be used
I have over the last few weeks test driven the Jaecoo 5 and 7, the Omeda 5, Cherry Tiggo, and more, and all were fine, i only went back to the J7, as
that was the one i liked the most, and has the biggest boot space, although 300mm less length than the Mondeo
But imho leasing is the way forward for me, as buying and selling cars, especially with the depreciation of a used car, with all the costs of running
one, against a lease deal, makes complete sense
Another reason, is a friend who deals with second hand cars has sold two and at a loss since March this year,
I may come to regret my decision in the next couple of years,
steve
Thats was probably spelt wrong, or had some grammer, that the "grammer police have to have a moan at
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 8/8/26 at 04:46 PM |
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The simple fact is that Western made cars are far too expensive for most buyers. The EU mandated "safety" features (that try and kill you
every so often), push the prices even higher. It's no good complaining, they need to find a way of getting the prices down.
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JAG
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| posted on 9/8/26 at 11:38 AM |
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“EU Safety Features” are fitted to every car sold in the European car market, so how is that making our, locally made cars, too expensive?
Justin
Who is this super hero? Sarge? ...No.
Rosemary, the telephone operator? ...No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? ...Could be!
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perksy
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| posted on 10/8/26 at 07:22 PM |
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Had a good look at Goodwood a few years ago at a range of them and thought some of the panel fit etc was really poor, but having looked recently they
seemed to have improved quite a bit
Like it of nor their here to stay
Neighbor over the road has bought a new Jaecoo as the deal was so good and loves it..
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