matt_gsxr
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 10:17 AM |
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Raceleda/Outlaw/Bremsport calipers
Hi there,
I have some Bremsport 4-pot calipers for solid disks (these are the same as the Outlaw M16 and Raceleda R16 in all but name). On a cut-down Capri
upright.
Does anyone know what the part number is for EBC Greenstuff pads to go with these. I think that they may be dp2010, but have already ordered far to
many useless parts already, which is expensive and embarassing (incidentally www.ebcbrakesdirect.com is a nice resource). I think the outline is
right, and the brace bolt hole looks promising, but not sure on thickness. Presumably a few people out there have sorted this minor problem.
Do I need the standard diameter Escort MkII disk to go with this. I see that MNR do beautiful ones, but they are too steep for me (mnrltd.co.uk
--> Part5s --> Brakes).
There is a 244.5mm disc for 1.6 and RS2000 ohv. But also a standard 247.5mm disk. Note sure which one I need (I would have guessed the 247.5mm but
so far all my guesses have been wrong!).
A 3mm error is small on the scale of some of my erroneous ordering, but still a lot of filing.
Any comments appreciated
Thanks,
Matt
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 10:50 AM |
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hi matt I had ebc green stuff on my MK Indy r1
the brakes would never stop the car dead
they were in for the SVA and the brake results were drastic
all my brake calipers were new
so i did one thing put happy shopper brake pads in and the brakes were so effective it was incredible
I dont know if its something to do with the weight of our cars and there not warming up properly
ta chris
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NS Dev
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 11:03 AM |
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I'm using mintex 1144 pads in those calipers, don't rate the EBC ones.
I have made 3mm shims to pack the pads out as thye are too small by 3mm, using Volco 240 ones.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 11:16 AM |
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Yup I think cheep and cheerfuls pads are good in 7's with lots of free colling.
I know when I fitted my sierra xr4x4 calipers Mark indicated that the cheep pads were the way to go.
there are some 'hill climbing' spec pads that are available ( dont know the details ) that are designed to stop effectivly from clap
cold.
regards
Agriv8
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 01:09 PM |
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Big waste of money averted!
I guess I'll take them to my local spares place and see what fits.
I'll try to rmeber to post part numbers
Thanks
Matt
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miegru
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 04:41 PM |
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Hi Matt,
Bought some outlaw calipers some years ago directly from outlaw. Pricewise you simple can't beat it. Last year I ordered two set of pads from
them directly and by ordering two sets the shipping costs (to the Netherlands) was more than covered.
Tip: if you ask them to put some damaged ones (or damaged brake parts) in the shipment and issue a zero value invoice stating samples there will be no
import duties....... you will sample them won't you? :-))
Has worked for me since years...
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jimgiblett
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| posted on 5/1/07 at 05:25 PM |
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Out of interest have you fitted any form of antirattle spring in your outlaw calipers?
Mine rattle (verticle movement - not warped disks) and anoy me when pootling around town.
Cheers
Jim
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 10/1/07 at 02:55 PM |
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Looked at Volvo 240 ones (assuming Volco is not a brand).
The pads are too small, not 99mm long like the ones I need. Have I missed something. Are the shims Volvo 240?
Sorry if I am being slow.
So I am contacting Outlaw (no reply yet).
Matt
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/1/07 at 04:44 PM |
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yes, the Volvo (spelt it right this time! ) pads are too small, unfortunately, by 3mm, so I have made some 3mm shims myself from sheet steel to pack
them up to the top of the calliper (so the caliper still takes the braking load, and the shims just stop the pads rattling around in there.
I did a load of research on this ages ago so have forgotten half of it, but I recall that the EBC pads were the only ones used by most folks, but
according to the drawings the raceleda/bremsport/outlaw caliper has the same size cavity as another one, possibly the HiSpec billet 4 one I think???
and the pad used on that is a volvo 240 one, so via that convoluted cross reference I came to use the volvo one as it was available in 1144
compound!!!
will check my facts again now and report back!!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/1/07 at 05:00 PM |
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Right, HiSpec quote pad ref MGB576 to fit their Billet 4 caliper, which has a cavity to suit a 100mm x 50mm pad, though their drawing actually shows a
98.5mm long pad as suitable.
Raceleda and Outlaw quote Hawk HB237 pads, which are 100.6mm long
clear as mud!!!
I think its a case of shim the caliper yourself on the slack side to stop the pad rattling.
How much you shim depends on what pad you use, and bear in mind the Volvo ones also need a notch filing for the retaining pin!
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 16/1/07 at 02:53 PM |
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Thanks so much for your detailed analysis on this one.
Looking at all the Mintex pads that are out there (I found a nice pdf with all the
diagrams of them), the ones that you mention are the closest (without cutting bits off the end). Sorry for my previous comment, I came across volvo
pads that were completely different (i.e. 80mm long) and got totally confused.
I haven't had a reply from Outlaw in the US (I only sent an e-mail, so I guess I was just chaff in their in-box). So that route is probably
closed.
I didn't appreciate that I was basically going to have to modify pads, but if it is tried and tested (and cheap) then why not.
Just for the archive the following pads all (should) fit this caliper:
Hawk HB237.625 (note the 625 which is a thicker pad)
Wilwood 7216 (the 2 is for bracebolt, the 6 is for the thicker pad again)
RAY R301-12
PFC 7754.**.16.04 (I think the ** is where you choose your compound)
The EBC DP2010 is a bit smaller 99mm instead of the recommended 100.6mm
And the Mintex MGB576 is a little smaller still.
People seem to buy the Hawk ones, but at £53 its got to be worth a trip to the US of A.
Matt
Matt
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 24/1/07 at 10:13 AM |
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Dear Mr NS DEV,
My mean-ness has triumphed over my laziness, so its volvo 240/260 (not ATE brakes) pads for me.
Those shims, I know you made them from steel plate.
Do you think aluminium ones will work? I know there is some heat around here, but if the caliper can stand it then...
These are my concerns, and why I don't think thet are a problem.
1) Heat conduction isn't an issue, as it is an extra layer so can't be worse than without it there.
2) Distortion isn't a concern as 2.5-3mm ally is pretty robust.
3) Melting is my only worry at the moment (660deg C), but even that won't necessarily be dangerous (i.e. immediate brake failure), just
extremely messy. I guess the pads would alreay be on fire at that temp.
Have I missed something
Matt
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