I don't know what this is all about, but I hope I can still get a dedion axle..
hope doz has a comment soon..
How gutted am i.
Anyone got any news about the latest GTS news.
PS this is not meant as scare mongering or bad mouthing of GTS. Im just curious if anyone else knows more than i do.
[Edited on 14/5/04 by ChrisS]
what news, is it bad?
Please tell me, why don't I know already???????????????????
PARANOIA
yeah, i know there is news, but dont know any more.
well gutted about my kit!
hope everything is ok
Not heard any news but GTS was one of those on the list that i tried to contact and received no answer, not even a return call.
Mandy.
i hope it isnt bad, as the products i have had from gts/triton have been fanstic, and the guys, darren, mark are the best
is this news 4 gts or triton or both
[Edited on 14/5/2004 by I love speed :-P]
so everyone says there is news, but the main news is that everyone thinks there is news? sounds good to me...
nothing like a game of chinese whispers. any comment from either darren or mark? or a pointer from anyone else?
I have just gone back to check those links some kindly posted up here and the gts one has a link to pictures for the locost but nothing there of the locost it took me to pictures of something else.
well all ill say is that this morning i recieved an email saying that my kit order could not be forfilled due unforseen circumstances, and that maybe
in the future but i dont know when GTS kits maybe available.
I was also told that my deposit would be returned.
Thats all i know.
PS not trying to create any chinese whispers, or create ill feeling.
yeah chris, i had exactly the same - ordered my kit about 6weeks ago - they had started to make it too including a custom roll bar, and in my email too, darren said i would get my complete deposit back.
wonder if this has anything to do with it ? whatever "it" is
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=13542
i]Originally posted by JoelP
so everyone says there is news, but the main news is that everyone thinks there is news? sounds good to me...
nothing like a game of chinese whispers. any comment from either darren or mark? or a pointer from anyone else?
I dont get the link between GTS and MAC#1?
So Tom, what are you going to do now, hang on or look at another manufacturer?
Err, 5th post down?
i]Originally posted by ChrisS
I dont get the link between GTS and MAC#1?
chris, i really dont know what im going to do now. i made a point of the car being readt for collection on june1st - as im at uni now, and want the
whole summer to work on the kit. i think the GTS is definitely the one i want to go for, but i cant really afford to hang in there and wait and see
what happens, as i can only work on the car in the summer - and want it ready for next easter.
Money is a problem, the GTS was the cheapest kit, and i found the company very very helpful.
What are you going to do??
cheers
tom
quote:
Originally posted by tom_loughlin
chris, i really dont know what im going to do now. i made a point of the car being readt for collection on june1st - as im at uni now, and want the whole summer to work on the kit. i think the GTS is definitely the one i want to go for, but i cant really afford to hang in there and wait and see what happens, as i can only work on the car in the summer - and want it ready for next easter.
Money is a problem, the GTS was the cheapest kit, and i found the company very very helpful.
What are you going to do??
cheers
tom
Uh oh.
I don't know what this is all about, but I hope I can still get a dedion axle..
hope doz has a comment soon..
Oh dear it makes sense
The GTS Website still appears to be taking orders. Nearly bought a rolling chassis by accident.
Hi All,
I was due to order a rolling chassis kit from gts later this month but as i see there maybe problems?
Being my first time on the forum i expected more items on this car from what i was told by gts at the show.
Take a look at the Triton Sportscars web page, looks like all links to GTS Locost have been removed.
Maybe although GTS cant supply kits, business may be as usual for parts.
Thats why i was asking in my original post if anyone knew anything more than i did.
The problem seems to be clear to everyone else, what 'exactly' is going on?
quote:
Originally posted by ChrisS
I dont get the link between GTS and MAC#1?
i hope we hear somthing soon.i had decided that a gts was for me.
Hi all,
Well what a lot of posts in such a short time!! Its the most GTS has ever had written about it in a day.
To quell the rumours.
The temporary (and i underline the temporary bit) halt to production of steel fabricated components is due to some personal problems with one of our
partners. Families have to come first in peoples lives.
Now we were going to soldier on a honour the kit orders that we have, but, we felt it more honourable to cancel them rather than delay. When someones
hearts not in it for whatever reason you'll never be able to get them to produce their best, and we have a good reputation for quality parts and
i'm not willing to risk this.
Essentially GTS has been operating on a wing and prayer in terms of human resource available to make stuff. We had too much success too quickly and we
have never been able to stop for a second and build stock of popular parts so they can go out the door quickly and painlessly. So i have taken this
oppotunity to address that situation, and i think the timing is right. We now have so much experience and understanding of our products that i can be
100% confident to make large batches.
I am also taken the oppotunity to expand our capabilities, and also to develop new features for the car.
We will almost certainly be back up and running making suspension parts by the end of next week, and the chassis' maybe back in production by the
end of the following week, but, to be safe i have asked people to allow around 4 weeks.
Expect to see pull rod front suspension, revised geometry, revised DeDion rear end and bodywork/cooling developments before the end of the year.
I'm also looking at a motorsport pack so that customers can compete very well in the various kit car championships.
Bodywork has been a long lead time item recently. Due to manufacturing parts for other kit manufacturers as well as GTS the GRP chap has been swamped
(Stoneliegh didn't help) but this backlog should be cleared 1st week of June, at which time i expect to make duplicate moulds so more parts can
go out quicker.
The commercial parts are still available largely from stock and can go out typical within a few days.
Put it all down to growing pains, we'll be bigger and better in a few weeks.
Kind regards,
Darren
Hi all,
To clear up.
GTS never made the Mac1. Triton used to, but, dropped them earlier this year for whatever reason.
Triton was never mentioned in the early days because of the potential for it to upset Mac etc.. When Triton dropped Mac then we started to introduce
the Triton name again because there was no longer a conflict of interest. Anyone visiting Stoneliegh would have seen the name GTS-Triton as this
seemed the least confusing way of naming the company and bringing back the Triton name.
Kind regards,
Darren
good luck darren, hope all goes well.
Having spoken to darren and met him. I would put every trust in him. Just you wait GTS will be back better than ever, not that it's actually
going anywhere. So not to worry people. Good luck darren, i have also offered him my help anyway i can. Perhaps other people can do this too,
instead of listening the hearsay and worrying about whos gonna supply their parts.
[Edited on 15/5/04 by Ben_Copeland]
Quote due to some personal problems with one of our partners. Families have to come first in peoples lives.
Must say this man is a prince amongst thieves. Support Darren through this bump. How many times have we heard how companies have taken deposits and
never delivered, shut up shop, Bullshitted and knowingly sold shoddy goods.
Darren you will still get the order for the tank when YOU are ready to take it.
Must say 10/10 for being straight up with the lads. So many companies I try to order from up our way give some lame excuses for not delivering.
All the best
Pat
AKA Mango groove
[Edited on 15-5-04 by mangogrooveworkshop]
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
who's throwing stones? maybe i'm thick......
quote:
Originally posted by scotlad
who's throwing stones? maybe i'm thick......
Shrugging shoulders at that one.... got me baffled?
If you know Mark then you'll understand, its OK its only mean't to be understood by a few!
Its like his Blue Smarties comments, totally baffles most people, but some understand.
Kind regards,
Darren
panic over, good luck, cant wait to see the new developments
Same. Only bought onw thing from GTS so far (Lock nuts for transit joints!).
Adam
Darren,
I'm nearly ready to fit my rear axle but my bolts are different sizes, I'll drop you an email about bolts and the bushes I need.
Fully supporting GTS and about to order more bits 
Ned.
Thanks for that info darren. I'll speak to you about dedion things soon.
(okay, so I'm more of a talker than a doer at the moment. ho hum.)
I made my list and went to gts website but it isn't there anymore.
I tried the email as listed on forum but it came back as a fatal error.
Can anyone tell me if i have made a mistake, i used these below?
darren@gtstuning.co.uk
www.gtstuning.co.k
No...its dead
No its not!! Problem with server.
Try the old way in www.gtscougar.freeserve.co.uk
I will get on and sort out server probs.
Kind regards,
Darren
Website and email are back up and running. Forgot to update my card details with the webspace provider, when my old switch card ran out.. Doh!
bet you wouldn't believe that could happen to a multinational drugs company with over 150 IT staff would you!
but it did, repeatidly
quote:
Originally posted by Cazzy
Its my understanding that Triton make chassis for Mac#1 and GTS.
Maybe Triton can't keep up with demand and have chosen to favour their original customer.....Mac#1???
quote:
perhaps this is not the place to ask but a a complete newbie who is still saving up to purchase a kit who is triton have tried a link off this site but its dead are they a kit manufacturer or just chassie makers can find gts and mac 1 and if reading previous posts correctley were both made by triton does this mean they are the same or similar and whoes doing what for whome as its very confusing to know where on earth to purchase a kit from will any of thes manufactures be attending the newark show with kits for sale also while on this subject triton dont do the chassie for mnr as this kit looks similar and reasonably priced if this is completley wrong and in the wrong section then sorry
thanks for the reply hope theres a prize for longest sentance(free kit would be nice) am now a little more enlightend but still very confused with
all these manufactures if only i could weld better i would have bought the book
Take a look at a thread called 'Why are kit car companies so ignorant' for a list of good manufacturers and the relevant comments....ill try
to find the topic....
Here it is...
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=13533
I must say however that GTS/Triton should get all the support that they deserve. From what people say the quality of their products is fantastic...etc
etc
David
[Edited on 19/5/04 by flak monkey]
quote:
Originally posted by offroad biker
........ its very confusing to know where on earth to purchase a kit from ...............
You could try MK.
But its heavier, doesn't have DeDion, costs more and has less detailing.
Kind regards,
Darren
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Take a look at a thread called 'Why are kit car companies so ignorant' for a list of good manufacturers and the relevant comments....ill try to find the topic....
Here it is...
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=13533
had a look at this thanks am thinking about visiting if possoble some manufactures mainley mk & mnr and possibley mac 1 not good with big citys ? as these are within my area, but dont want to limit my choice on soley who is closest. this is why i need more info on others in other areas but dont rearley want to be a pain as still seriousley considering all budjet manufactures at the mo but as there all so similar nothing is giving 1 the edge as so to speak.
Ben_Copeland - 20/5/04 at 07:57 PMquote:
Originally posted by dozracing
You could try MK.
But its heavier, doesn't have DeDion, costs more and has less detailing.
Kind regards,
Darren
HEHEHEHEHEHE
dozracing - 20/5/04 at 09:42 PMI kinda found it funny that Hellfire makes a comment like that in this section of the forum, of course he is totally unbiased as well.
Peteff - 20/5/04 at 10:41 PMAre we in the MK section or the GTS? Can I place an advert in here for anyone else while we're at it? Luego do kits and MAC1 and there's a little firm called westham or caterfield or something while you're looking. There's Dax, Tiger and locopops or something like that. Anybody want to chip in with a few more? Oh yes, don't forget Fisher, they've done a couple of cars.
[Edited on 20/5/04 by Peteff]
M@Triton - 20/5/04 at 10:50 PMWho knows the secret of the black magic box?????????????
M@Triton - 20/5/04 at 10:51 PMThere yer go again ............talking proper pants boy best i stay outa the pub
Wadders - 20/5/04 at 11:20 PMDon't forget lolocopops.
Or Bonkin from South Africa
and what about the mighty throbin' hood?
]Originally posted by Peteff
Are we in the MK section or the GTS? Can I place an advert in here for anyone else while we're at it? Luego do kits and MAC1 and there's a little firm called westham or caterfield or something while you're looking. There's Dax, Tiger and locopops or something like that. Anybody want to chip in with a few more? Oh yes, don't forget Fisher, they've done a couple of cars.
[Edited on 20/5/04 by Peteff] [/quote
Hellfire - 21/5/04 at 07:20 AMquote:
Originally posted by dozracing
I kinda found it funny that Hellfire makes a comment like that in this section of the forum, of course he is totally unbiased as well.
Absolutely!
ned - 21/5/04 at 08:59 AMnot wishing to get into an arguemenmt syd, but isn't the phrase:
"put your money where your mouth is?"
which from my understanding is what Darren is doing.
incidentally, most people on here that have bought a kit are biased in a certain direction. I havce bought bits off MK and GTS and think highly of both kits, i'm building a locost so don't have anyone's chassis but my own.
I'm sure if you look in the mk or luego section people comment on other chassis to convince people to buy the one they are biased towards.
this refers in no way to any specific users of this forum.
Ned.
[Edited on 21/5/04 by ned]
timf - 21/5/04 at 09:47 AMis it not the case syd that if you go back
and read threads that you seem to have a problem with darren, it certainly reads so from previous posts, but then any one one disagrees with you is deemed to be fair game.
At least Darren has given the locost fraterinty some well made, good quality items at a resonable price.
All that you seem to do syd is say this is not how to do it according to me and i'm right.
Give darren a break he's tring to break into the market, snoopy takes it in good manner. you have people asking about the GTS kit and you have hellfire saying MK MK MK others saying luego luego cant darren have a chance to air his view.
To quote you it seems the same things are being said time and again and its always the same person saying it in this case you and your dislike for darren, If you think that you can do better go for it
put up or shut up syd.
Tim
[Edited on 21/5/04 by timf]
flak monkey - 21/5/04 at 09:58 AMWell said Tim
Hellfire - 21/5/04 at 11:42 AMHave to agree with Syd on this one. Lets be honest.... how many other manufacturers appear on here, putting down other manufacturers products?
ned - 21/5/04 at 11:44 AMhow many other manufacturers appear on here full stop?! I think the fact that Darren is the only (?) manufacturer to regularly use the website and answer questions and give advice on his products speaks for itself.
Ned.
Hellfire - 21/5/04 at 11:53 AMI totally agree with you Ned. But putting others products down?? C'mon...thats just not cricket.
ned - 21/5/04 at 12:11 PMHellfire,
I have re-read the thread, just to make sure I'm not getting it wrong! (well, it happens ocasionally
Darrens comment was (regarding an MK):
"But its heavier, doesn't have DeDion, costs more and has less detailing."
I personally wouldn't say that he is making any derogetory remarks about the MK, I know Darren has said before he has the utmost respect for MK. I would suggest as a comparison that his points are correct (IMVHO)
The MK will be heavier as it is IRS, so has more tubes at the back end (though if anyone has the weights to post up, go for it, i'd be interested to know the difference!)
The MK doesn't have dedion (well, I kow they used to make a dedion, but don't anymore) this is a fact
The MK costs more. well, i've not don't a check on this, but from memory they are both very reasonably and similarly priced.
has less detailing: well, i'm not such what is inferred by this, possibly things such as the front camber adjustment system, but i don't know that's what Darren means, just a guess.
Ned.
flak monkey - 21/5/04 at 12:33 PMquote:
originally posted by Syd
And any engineer worth his degree, will tell you the welded product is inferior to the non-welded product of similar dimension
I am not gonna argue...You are correct, you cant argue with fact. I am sure darren has done all the necessary research and decided to go for a welded axle for some reason...
As ned says I also dont see where darren was putting down MK, he was just giving his opinion which everyone is entitled to.
You can always find fault with a product if you try. Only if you make a criticism that is not justified, it is wrong.
At the end of the day the differences between the kits are small. It comes down to personal preference as to which you choose. I would chose the GTS (if i was kit building!) over MK. Mainly because it has de dion...
Cheers
David
M@Triton - 21/5/04 at 12:35 PMDeary deary me.....reel yer necks in!
David Jenkins - 21/5/04 at 01:11 PM
(It's a while since I heard that expression...)
David (who didn't take the original comment to heart)
Hellfire - 21/5/04 at 01:22 PMquote:
Originally posted by ned
.... I would suggest as a comparison that his points are correct (IMVHO)
The MK will be heavier as it is IRS, so has more tubes at the back end (though if anyone has the weights to post up, go for it, i'd be interested to know the difference!)
The MK doesn't have dedion (well, I kow they used to make a dedion, but don't anymore) this is a fact
The MK costs more. well, i've not don't a check on this, but from memory they are both very reasonably and similarly priced.
has less detailing: well, i'm not such what is inferred by this, possibly things such as the front camber adjustment system, but i don't know that's what Darren means, just a guess.
Ned.
So, which points are actually correct ??
ned - 21/5/04 at 01:32 PMwell, I would suggest all of them!
but as we currently cannot prove any of them either way I guess we'll have to agree to disagree!
Ned.
Hellfire - 21/5/04 at 01:37 PMI don't agree
flak monkey - 21/5/04 at 01:51 PMThis could go on forever
I'm quite happy for people to think what they like about which ever manufacturer they want...
At the end of the day we are all building Locosts or a variant of it. They are all nearly the same...which one you choose is up to you....
We all try to pursuade people to go our way...but hey its not worth arguing about... If you want to build an MK go for it, a GTS good for you....a Robin Hood or Tiger...GOOD LUCK
Cheers
David
Alan B - 21/5/04 at 02:30 PMquote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
...... They are all nearly the same...
Oh no they're not...
ned - 21/5/04 at 02:43 PMoh yes they are
MikeR - 21/5/04 at 05:00 PMSorry but i can't resist,
Oh no they're....
Oh yes they are ....
Oh no they're not ....
do you think i should stop taking the tablets?
Peteff - 21/5/04 at 05:32 PMWhatever next, garlic bread!!!!!!
There's only so much you can do with 4 wheels, some metal and some fibreglass
ChrisS - 21/5/04 at 06:26 PMquote:
Originally posted by M@Triton
Deary deary me.....reel yer necks in!
Maybe you would like to add a little more detail to your posts, and give us an idea why youve "gone walkabout" and what happened to the gts/triton thing?
Im not being rude, but id sure like to know what happened, as i was really quite looking forward to taking delivery of my kit TODAY!
dozracing - 21/5/04 at 07:17 PMThanks everyone for taking the time to comment, but, save bitching and be constructive and get on with something that moves your respective projects on!!
Syd and Hellfire. Thanks for entering into the discussions your opinions are welcome at the very least because they liven things up. Not sure how you came across the debate as neither of you are building a GTS or have/will buy anything from me. Guess your just nosey or bored or looking to stir something up!
Welded or not welded, i guess Syd you are talking about the dedion axle. Lets just clarify it. Not sure i have every told anyone its stronger as it is, cut and welded. But the reason its cut and welded has little to do with strength. Once a design is strong enough for the job then other issues take precendent. Stiffness, and manufacturing concerns and stability become more important.
We have found and so have Caterham that a bent DeDion tube wants to straighten out over time, thus changing the rear geometry, also it acts more like a spring. So we choose to go with something which has proved to be stiffer and doesn't vary its geometry in use.
More detailing does refer to little details like camber adjusters, steering rack extensions, mushroom adpators, oval wishbones top and bottom, neat fuel tank design, neat wing stays and pedals etc..
Darren
caterhamcars - 21/5/04 at 09:02 PMThe only seven worth it's salt is the Caterham the rest are bad copies or a poor man's substitute
marc n - 21/5/04 at 09:07 PMTo answer the users post
triton / gts have no involvement with mnr
regards
marc
Hellfire - 21/5/04 at 09:44 PMquote:
Syd and Hellfire. Thanks for entering into the discussions your opinions are welcome at the very least because they liven things up. Not sure how you came across the debate as neither of you are building a GTS or have/will buy anything from me. Guess your just nosey or bored or looking to stir something up!
So much for buying something from you Daz...
BUT - put this way...
your idea of selling the small headlamps which we bought from you back in December 2003 - you said at the time they were emarked and fully met the SVA requirements. We bought the items. After the sale you then craftily placed on your website NOT SVA PROVEN quite a nice little sidestep...
that is why the headlights are now up for sale as they DONT pass SVA due to them being Euro Bike Lights (Left hand, flat top beam)
NOT SVA PROVEN!!!! (Remember?)
As you never responded to our emails we never got an answer... that is why we haven't bought anything from you since... we had no axe to grind but you started it - as usual.
Further more - we will be building another kit soon - and we may consider ALL manufacturers - including yourself. We have no preferences... despite your opinions.
IIWY - I would refrain from commenting as most of the time you make some kind of controversial remark.
As a quality manufacturer, (yes I do actually rate your products!) I find your flippant remarks and derogatory comments about other manufacturers do nothing for your own integratory - my company didn't get to where we have by acting in this manner.
[Edited on 21-5-04 by Hellfire]
M@Triton - 21/5/04 at 09:53 PMJust to clear things up:
I quit...simple as that.
Mark
flak monkey - 22/5/04 at 11:38 AMMy mate has just done one of those courses, they are very good, would recommend them to anyone who's trying to start a business! Like Syd says they are free if you are in your first year...
But then maybe Darren has already done one...
Cheers,
David
Noodle - 22/5/04 at 01:25 PMSo what's the score now with ordering GTS chassis?
Now that M@Triton is M!@Triton, have you sorted another supplier out yet Darren or are you 'between' fabricators?
I'm a bit confused by the situation. (Nothing new there then.)
Cheers,
Neil.
dozracing - 22/5/04 at 06:56 PMHi all,
Hellfire, actually belive the headlamps to be SVA compliant, as Premier Wiring are selling the same ones, bought from the same place, and they reckon their customers are getting through SVA fine with them, so perhaps you should hold on to them. Send them back and i'll refund the full amount if your not happy or convinced about them.
Would love to do a night school course, but, as i work all day and then do GTS in the evening and only sleep about 4-5 hours and still can't keep up with the level of interest etc, i'm not sure how to go about doing it. Thanks for the advice though.
I am pretty confident that we will be back in manufacture very soon as i now have suppliers that are very keen to work with me on it. Its just trying to find the most felxible ones who can maintain the quality.
We have several orders to fulfill and dozens of positive enquiries to work on so things are looking really positive, several new investors are looking keen as well.
Kind regards,
Darren
Hellfire - 22/5/04 at 07:02 PMDarren,
Good news then... hope all goes well when the dust settles with your company. You really should get more sleep....
nicklondon - 22/5/04 at 07:07 PMagain good luck darren the more manufactors the more choice and hopefully lower prices
M@Triton - 22/5/04 at 07:50 PMSnoopy bloke,
Personally i am glad to be out of it. Does my head in all the hassle.....how you at MK deal with it on the scale you do, beats me.........hats off to you.
andyps - 27/5/04 at 12:48 PM[Quote]You could try MK.
But its heavier, doesn't have DeDion, costs more and has less detailing.
Kind regards,
Darren[quote/]
Would this have been acceptable to all if worded "You should buy a GTS because it is lighter than other kits, has De-dion rear suspension and is lower priced even with additional chassis detailing included"?
Courses in positive language provided by SPA Training Development. Lots of other people have used this thread to advertise, so I am too!
Hellfire - 27/5/04 at 04:55 PMAndy, even though it's a forced plug... of course it sounds better, it might even be true and it's professional etiquette to highlight the good points and hide the bad
dozracing - 27/5/04 at 06:31 PMTony Blair would have denied saying anything, then when confronted with the evidence sacked another member of staff and blamed them. Then come up smelling of Roses....