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WTD Advice: Lathe Purchase
omega0684 - 15/5/13 at 04:33 PM

Hi Guys,

I have been given the oppotunity to get "THIS LATHE" at 50% of the retail price, brand new.

Has anyone used this lathe and can voice an opinion on quality etc? Is it worth an investment and will be good for me to start learning to use a lathe properly.

All comments welcome

All the best

Alex


coozer - 15/5/13 at 04:34 PM

Crap.com

Get a Boxford or Harrison from a school or college mate..


Wadders - 15/5/13 at 04:36 PM

^ What he said...don't waste your brass.

something like this would be better

http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/index.php?option=com_adsmanager&view=show_ad&adid=15317&catid=2

or even better this


boxford lathe | eBay

[Edited on 15/5/13 by Wadders]


franky - 15/5/13 at 04:47 PM

I'd go the other side and say its ok, really depends on what you want from it.


theprisioner - 15/5/13 at 05:00 PM

I would echo the previous post. I have a Myford Super 7 which is a small British made lathe the also did a ML10 which can be a good buy. I have heard good things about a Seig C8

http://www.mini-lathe.com/reviews/Lathes/Sieg_C8/C8.htm#Conclusion


big_wasa - 15/5/13 at 05:19 PM

It wouldn't be the worst buy of your life at half retail that is for sure.

If you want to make little bushes and things up it will do it, If you want to take a heavy cut out of a steel bar. They flex.

I've had the old English lathe and it was a fantastic bit of kit even at 90 years old but took up a quarter of the garage. I now have a little Chinese lathe and its fine for little bits in steel and bigger bits in alloy.


clanger - 15/5/13 at 05:48 PM

Noooooooooooo

lots of "what lathe shall I buy" info in search function....................knock yourself out !!!


richardm6994 - 15/5/13 at 05:48 PM

Pile of rubbish. I worked at a place which had one and it was the worse machine I have ever worked on!!!

I know it's half price, but its still not worth it. I've got a myford super 7 and a Colcheter student for around £700 each and they are two of the best manual lathes around.

[Edited on 15/5/13 by richardm6994]


rf900rush - 15/5/13 at 07:22 PM

I have a Warco version without the Milling bit.

Had no problems using it for most of my requirements.

Even converted it to CNC to make some 50mm by 0.5mm pitch threads.
Mine only cost me £100 so still worth it.

But I now have a basic Denford Viceroy. Looks much better but needs more room.

£500 pound still may be spent better.

It may help if you describe you needs for one for.

We don't all need a £200 makita drill to put a couple of shelves up one in a while.


[Edited on 15/5/13 by rf900rush]


omega0684 - 15/5/13 at 07:42 PM

ok guys thanks for the advice, to answer a few questions, i would mainly be working with ali, pulleys, spacers, adapters etc, i have no need to be maching big steel pole, but as my skill develops i would like to learn more,

So the general consesus is a no, i'll keep looking for the time being. thanks for the links to other sites, if anyone else has any other info on people selling or see lathes for sale then please drop me a u2u.

if you could post up links to more sites that would be great

ATB


paulf - 15/5/13 at 08:13 PM

I would say that it is probably ok for light work if it only costs you £500, a decent older English lathe such as a myford boxford or Harrison would cost at least as much without the drilling attachment although that is of limited use mounted on the lathe as it is. If you only need to do light work then I would consider it but if you intend doing heavier work or close tolerance work at a latter date then look for an older heavier duty lathe with plenty of accessories, but you will have to pay more unless it is a large difficult to move machine.
Paul


franky - 15/5/13 at 08:59 PM

I'd go as far to say all the myfords are well over priced for what they are, because they're small it makes them expensive. That clarke would be fine for what you want, you'll always get your money back.

I recently sold a Sieg m4 for £1350 just because they're small and single phase, I then bought this....

BOXFORD STS 250 LATHE WITH INDUCTION HARDENED BEDWAYS | eBay

as it finished at rush hour drive home time and is 3 phase it was a bit of a bargain, its a bit of a joke that it was £350 less! Have you thought of a 3 phase machine to run off a converter?


Talon Motorsport - 16/5/13 at 07:24 AM

You don't need a power convertor to run a 415v - 3 phase motor, for 1/3 of the money you can just buy a 240v - single phase motor. Most things are either flat or V belt drive you just need the right pulley for the motor.


mark chandler - 16/5/13 at 07:34 AM

Or make up the third phase with a 50uf capacitor, you lose a bit of power but for home work going slowly is not such a bad thing.


trextr7monkey - 16/5/13 at 07:57 AM

We have 3 lathes here and bought one of those a while back to run a 4 jaw chuck on permanently- mostly used by kids making square ended knobs/ handles etc in brass it is Ok ,not as good as more expensive machines but does the job. Slightly off topic it did not come with a micro switch on chuck guard so we had that retro fitted

We still have a Denford Viceroy sitting in the corner awaiting a new loving owner - currently fitted with 3 phase motor and all wiring was renewed a while back if no body buys it I might take it home when I retire in about 5 years!
It needs a chuck and the work lamp sorting if you are fussy but comes with4 way tool post ,tail stock etc £350 takes it - there's an ad on here somewhere if you search
Also have just removed a Startrite Inca planer, 3 phase, solid cast iron jobbie will run all day for years to come, not getting any use here prob about £150 which is a fraction of what we paid to Mr Dewalt for a more compact replacement!

atb
Mike


owelly - 16/5/13 at 08:30 AM

Buy Kippers lathe. Job done.


dave_424 - 16/5/13 at 08:49 AM

I managed to pick up a Colchester Chipmaster lathe off ebay from someone local for under £400, single phase as well. It has done everything I want it to do so far but would like a larger machine like most people.

Definitely hold out for some old heavy english iron if you don't need it right away, I see plenty of older machines pass by that are either being sold by the wife or son of an old chap who has passed away, or someone who no longer needs it and needs the space.


mcerd1 - 16/5/13 at 08:57 AM

keep looking Alex, we got a version of an old Hembrug A1 for £500


Alfa145 - 16/5/13 at 09:16 AM

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=181655


richardm6994 - 16/5/13 at 10:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Talon Motorsport
You don't need a power convertor to run a 415v - 3 phase motor, for 1/3 of the money you can just buy a 240v - single phase motor. Most things are either flat or V belt drive you just need the right pulley for the motor.


Thats exactly what I did with my colchester student. Worked a treat


franky - 16/5/13 at 11:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Talon Motorsport
You don't need a power convertor to run a 415v - 3 phase motor, for 1/3 of the money you can just buy a 240v - single phase motor. Most things are either flat or V belt drive you just need the right pulley for the motor.


It makes life simpler when there's built in suds pumps or other feeds etc, then the cost balances out.

I've got one to run an old Bridgeport with a duel speed head, the converter runs both, also having it means you can buy other 3 phase stuff cheaply which quickly pays for it.


omega0684 - 16/5/13 at 08:12 PM

thanks for all the advice guys!

I have spoken to Kipper this evening and agreed to purchase his, really nice guy!

I think i have invested in a very nice piece of kit!

Thanks again guys LCB to the rescue!


mcerd1 - 17/5/13 at 10:02 AM

I don't think you'll be disappointed - they're neat little bits of kit

[Edited on 17/5/2013 by mcerd1]


kipper - 18/5/13 at 10:20 AM

Just a note to thank you guys for pointing Alex in my direction.
The lathe is now palletised and awaiting collection.
Denis.


Wadders - 18/5/13 at 10:35 AM

Good choice, if you decide to upgrade to a bigger machine
in a couple of years you will get your money back.

Can i recommend you buy 'the amateurs lathe ' by H A Sparey
Great little book full of useful stuff .

Have fun with your new toy.

Atb
Al


omega0684 - 18/5/13 at 01:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Wadders
Can i recommend you buy 'the amateurs lathe ' by H A Sparey
Great little book full of useful stuff .

Have fun with your new toy.

Atb
Al


Already got it Al bedtime reading for me that is!

[Edited on 18/5/13 by omega0684]


David Jenkins - 18/5/13 at 08:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by kipper
Just a note to thank you guys for pointing Alex in my direction.
The lathe is now palletised and awaiting collection.
Denis.


Just one warning - don't underestimate the weight of that lathe! I know it's regarded as a small lathe, but you'll need 2 people to move it around safely, without risking a hernia. It will also help you to avoid damage to the handles & stuff hanging off the machine, as you'll have more control.


coozer - 18/5/13 at 08:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Talon Motorsport
You don't need a power convertor to run a 415v - 3 phase motor, for 1/3 of the money you can just buy a 240v - single phase motor. Most things are either flat or V belt drive you just need the right pulley for the motor.


I bought my Harrison from Durham New College.. it had a 400v 3 phase motor. I bought a 3hp 240v thing out of Machine Mart for it, works no problem.. I bought a BIG 3 phase compressor, same motor on it now.. then I built a fierce saw bench, same 3hp motor..

All 3 big bits of kit work fine plugged into a 16 amp socket..

Just to add, my Harrison weighs 650Kg....

[Edited on 18/5/13 by coozer]


kipper - 20/5/13 at 02:18 PM

Hi Alex,
The lathe is on it's way to you, picked up about half an hour ago
Regards Denis.


kipper - 22/5/13 at 11:11 AM

Hi again Alex ,I hope the lathe arrived safely, please be careful moving it as they are a bit top heavy, I managed to get it out of the workshop using a sack barrow and two strong lads.
Regards Denis.