p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 10:07 AM |
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Wanted road legal MK INDY BEC, or Similar.
Hi All, I am currently looking to buy an already built road legal MK Indy (or something similar such as a Mac#1, Sylva or MNR).
Ideally i'm llooking for something with a fairly high powered bike engine, maybe an R1, as I am looking for something pretty quick, and a car
that been well built and well looked after. I have a budget of around £6K, but could be willing to go a bit higher for the right car.
I am based in Chesham, South Buckinghamshire/Hertfordshire borders, so something not too far away would be ideal!
Please message me on here if you are looking to sell your car if it matches what I am after above.
Thanks.
Graham
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 10:23 AM |
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Welcome to the forum. There's a good bunch on here, and a wealth of information, and knowlege to be had.
Use the Search facility, as most things have been done to death over the years. Vary the wording if you dont get what you are looking for first
time.
Dont be afraid to ask questions on any subject - Just put them in the right section!
Keep an eye on Pistonheads as well for a Bec.
Good luck with £6k for a hight powered BEC (Bike Engined Car)
Might be considering a good CEC (Car Engined Car) for about £3-4k and then doing a bike conversion over the winter or even next winter.
Just a thought, and would open up the choice available.
EDIT:
There are two MK's on Piston Heads.
As said I think you might want to review your budget for a BEC.
LINKY
PS... The Word LINKY is usually a Hyperlink to more info etc etc.
[Edited on 7/12/2012 by wilkingj]
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 10:34 AM |
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Hi Thanks for the reply. Do you think I an R1 engine or similar is unrealistic with my budget? I would consider something not quite as quick, but I do
want a good quick engine for road and track use.. Would you have any recommendations on what a good engine would be for me budget? I have seen a few
fireblade engined BECs within my budget in the past, would these be a good choice?
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 10:55 AM |
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IMHO.. R1, Fireblade, Hayabusa or even the Kawasakl 1400cc engine would be good.
I think £6k is a low budget for a BEC, but they do exist.
Look around as there are quite a few about.
Nowt wrong with a fireblade.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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MK9R
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 10:58 AM |
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The old blade engine is a quick car. I upgraded mine to an 06 R1, and yes its a bit quicker but i did this as you are looking for every few tenths
racing, but as a trackday or/and road car the blade is more than fast enough. Plus they are cheap and pretty bomb proof engines.
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
www.automatedtechnologygroup.co.uk
www.trackace.co.uk
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MK9R
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 11:03 AM |
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A westy for your budget
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bike-powered-cars/cars/westfield-megablade/397429
and a striker
http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bike-powered-cars/cars/sylva-striker-kit-car-powered-by-honda-blackbird-engine/878168
Cheers Austen
RGB car number 9
www.austengreenway.co.uk
www.automatedtechnologygroup.co.uk
www.trackace.co.uk
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 12:10 PM |
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How about this one?
stuart taylor motorsport kit car bike powered honda 
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 12:18 PM |
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Hi yes, I had just seen this stuart taylor on ebay yesterday and spoke to the seller, though he has only had it 6 months and didnt seem to know too
much about the car. I absolutely love the look of this car, which is important to me and the price is spot on. Apparently it used to be Green, perhaps
anyone might know of this car?
My biggest concern with it is with regards to the engine, Are the Honda Pan european engines any good? Now I dont really need the quickest car out
there, but I do want something thats pretty quick 0-60 and can hold it's own and handle well on track, Also got to bare in mind my budget here
as well, I know that at around £6k mark im not going to get the best, but want to get a decent car for the money. I dont want a slow one basically.
The car will be used for a mixture of track days (nothing competitive just for fun) and 'spirited' weekend driving...
Im also fairly tall and well built 6' 2", 16 stone so would also be concerned as to wether I would fit ok?
If after having it for a few months I decided I wanted a bit more power and speed, would it be much of a task to swap the engine to something quicker,
and whats sort of costs and gains would I be looking at? I should mention that I am in no way mechanically minded so would need to pay some one to
carry out the work.
[Edited on 7/12/12 by p2ccolo]
[Edited on 7/12/12 by p2ccolo]
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wilkingj
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 12:41 PM |
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You need to find someone local with the same car and go and sit in it.
Better still is to get them to take you for a ride.
ALL these cars are pretty quick compared to a tintop, and certainly out handle them.
You also need to learn how they drive, as they are VERY different to normal road cars.
Especially if you have never driven a high powered (High BHP/Ton) rear wheeled car before.
At 6ft 2" and 16st, you really need to sit in the car you are going to buy.
Also an in-person visit will let you look closely at the car and to see exactly what its like rather than what you cant see in the photos.
Also you can then get out the folding money and start offering him cash. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and this even applies to
Fleabay.
Take someone with you who knows kit cars and preferably the one (make) you will be looking at.
Ask if anyone on here has a XXX locally to you that you could come and sit in etc etc.
Please put your approx location in your profile as it will help with people offering help etc.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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Proby
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 02:02 PM |
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When you say you want something 'pretty quick' what are you used to? It takes a tin top with some serious poke to match my 'blade
engined F27 to 100mph. With a 6k budget, I would of thought most BEC' s will be blade or ZX9 powered, although at this time of year there are
bargains to be had!
Visit GraphicMonster
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 02:12 PM |
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Thanks for all the replies, it's a big help. Well, my daily drive is a BMW 330ci M Sport, so it's not the slowest car, but undoubtedly
considerably slower than any kit cars I'm sure. I mean essentially, As long as it's 0-60 is pretty nippy (4 seconds or under), the
handling is good and it doesn't just loose all its power once it gets past 80 miles an hour or so I'd be very happy I think. I drive my
current car let's just say very 'spiritedly', and to be honest it feels very slow to me now. The biggest problem for me is I guess I
have nothing to bench mark against since I have never driven a kit car, but my personality is such that I usually always want something at the faster
end of the spectrum... I really like the Stuart Taylor currently on ebay, but just know about the engine, and how quick it would be, if its still
going to be bloody quick but maybe just a fraction slower then some of the blades/R1 type engines then I'd probably be ok with that, as I think
the price seems good and it looks amazing. I just wouldnt want the 'thrill' to disappear quickly and to start to feel its a bit slow, and
regret not buying something faster.
[Edited on 7/12/12 by p2ccolo]
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 03:16 PM |
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Is it a 1100cc pan european or the 1300cc?
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 03:36 PM |
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According to the owner it's an 1100..
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renetom
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 05:01 PM |
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R1
Hi
We have an Indy with a carbed R1 engine which we built from scratch
Passed IVA Dec 11, My son is about your size & fits Ok.
As for performance you won't be disappointed believe me.
On the rolling road we got 151 BHP with just a few tweaks from Austec Racing.
Find someone local to you who has one , beg a sit in, or better a ride.
Good luck
René
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 05:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by p2ccolo
According to the owner it's an 1100..
I think you might be a bit disappointed with that, It will still be quite nippy, but they only have around 100bhp, only a 5 speed box, and rev to
about 8500rpm, even the 893cc fireblade I have in my Aries/Stuart Taylor has 124bhp standard, with its dynojet kit and filter now around 130bhp,
11500rpm 6 speed box, might not sound alot an extra 30bhp, but in a light car, its like having a extra 100bhp in your average saloon car.
Saying all that, the car looks a good buy for someone, the Stuart Taylor is a great chassis, and the car looks well, with some nice bits on it, so at
the right price you could buget for a engine change, then sell the pan european set up to recoup some of your costs, someone on here is selling a
complete fireblade engine set up for that very car , so would be a easy swap
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 05:30 PM |
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Haha by somebody, did you mean you :-P
Hmm. thats sounds very interesting... I like the car a lot so would be willing to pay a little extra and do an engine swap, If the prices didn't
come in too expensive.
Only problem is I wouldn't have a clue how to do the work myself so would need to pay someone else. Any idea how much I'd be looking at
to get this done? Can any body recommend somewhere or someone who could carry out the job well (ideally in south east england)
[Edited on 7/12/12 by p2ccolo]
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 05:51 PM |
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Its a easy enough job just to do a engine swap, there will always be someone on here local to you would be willing to help you for tea/beer and
biscuits, and you learn more about your car and make a few new mates along the way. Thats what these cars are all about, you will be for ever
tinkering and changing things on them, The more skilled bit is making the engine cradle up, and the exhaust manifold, but if you buy a complete engine
set up, you can more or less drop it straight in
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 07:04 PM |
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Awesome. So how long would it take someone with the know how to perform an engine swap? And is the added cost and effort worth it on this car? or
would you guys recommend waiting for something else thats already got a more suitable spec. I am still keeping my options open but am planning on
paying a visit to that Stuart Taylor on ebay in 2 weeks if its still up for sale as I need to head north anyway, and if I decide on that car il prob
almost definately be looking to do an engine swap, plus maybe full cage, detatchable wheel and reverse fitted
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PAUL FISHER
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| posted on 7/12/12 at 08:50 PM |
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You could do a engine swap in a day if you have all the parts to hand, but if your after one with a cage, reverse and a more powerfull engine, then I
would advise you may be better waiting for the right car coming along, but expect to pay around £7000 for a car of that spec, that Stuart taylor is
cheap for a reason as its got a less desirable engine fitted, if it had ticked all the boxes for you in every other respect and just wanted a engine
swap it could have been a good buy for you.
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mark chandler
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 12:01 AM |
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You would be pushing it to swap out that pan engine for a straight 4 in a day, maybe get it bolted in but gear change linkages, cut out for exhaust
etc will all swallow time, better getting something right first time.
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ross05
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 08:49 PM |
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striker
nice striker honda blackbird powered on pistonheads for 5995 that would be my choice !!! no it isn't mine.
they are fantastic little cars,raced one for a few years.
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 15/12/12 at 09:00 PM |
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Hi guys , still looking around for the right car to come up, and have spotted this westfield on ebay. Is it any good? What would the speed and
performance be like in this car? The listing states 150hp, would that be realistic? Would it feel slow and underwhelming compared with a bec? What
sort of 0-60, 0-100 times would this cec likely be running at?
Westfield 1700 SE Full Rebuild In 2009 150bhp Crossflow Engine
Also not sure if I would fit into a narrow body?
Thanks!
[Edited on 15/12/12 by p2ccolo]
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mark chandler
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| posted on 15/12/12 at 09:12 PM |
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My friend had a pre litigation Westfield with a tuned 1760 cross flow, my standard 893 blade locost was quicker accelerating with a better top end.
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ross05
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| posted on 15/12/12 at 09:54 PM |
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Bec
Think you need to decide firstly what you want the car for ie track days or just road use.I looked at BEC's I don't do trackdays anymore
decided on a high powered car engine (raceline 2ltr zetec 160R westfield SEIW) loads of fun and you can upgrade as and when you want!!! A westy or
other kit with a 1600 can be upgraded later as you grow with confidence.Whatever you buy you will want to improve
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p2ccolo
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| posted on 16/12/12 at 10:36 AM |
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Well my main reason for buying is so I can affordably do track days In something fun. But it will also be used on road for a bit of Sunday driving
type fun. Il like use it for something like 70% road 30% track
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