Mr Whippy
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 11:25 AM |
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Fancy paint
Must be the nice weather but my enthusiasm has skyrocketed in the last few days, so much so I’m actually enjoying sanding! Swoooooon 
Anyway I is after some clever advice or a link etc on how a really deep paint finish is done. You know like when you see a car at a show and it looks
like some smarty pants covered the car with a flipin hologram, how the hell do they do that? Is it a silver metallic layer under the base colour coat
as that was what I was toying with doing, I got some bits of metal to play with but just not sure the actual methods used.
Anyone clued up???
Ta 
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blakep82
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 11:36 AM |
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lol i got a bit carried away with snading yesterday too  another seemingly ok looking panel had a dodgy repair in it by a previous owner  half
inch of filler to take out, and cut the panel apart...
my door actually fits in the hole properly now :L:L:L
sorry, that no help with paint, i know...
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dubstar_04
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 11:36 AM |
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A deep finish is achived by using super fine wet and dry (1600) on the primer before painting, and by buffing after painting.
The change in colour in achived by using what is sometimes called flip paint, and its expensive.
House of kolor do the paint.
http://www.houseofkolor.com/hok/index.jsp
The main problem associated with this paint is the level of finish required, as any (and I mean any) imperfection is highlighted by a change in
colour.
I personally would not recommend using this paint, however if you really want the effect you can get Alfa Romeo paint that turns from cream to green
and blue, which is quite nice and will show less inperfections than the darker purples and dark greens.
Is that what you meant?
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 11:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by dubstar_04
A deep finish is achived by using super fine wet and dry (1600) on the primer before painting, and by buffing after painting.
The change in colour in achived by using what is sometimes called flip paint, and its expensive.
House of kolor do the paint.
http://www.houseofkolor.com/hok/index.jsp
The main problem associated with this paint is the level of finish required, as any (and I mean any) imperfection is highlighted by a change in
colour.
I personally would not recommend using this paint, however if you really want the effect you can get Alfa Romeo paint that turns from cream to green
and blue, which is quite nice and will show less inperfections than the darker purples and dark greens.
Is that what you meant?
No I don't mean the flip paint, that would not go with this car. I have seen many one colour paint jobs that are extremely deep without any
change in shade, they are all metallic but seem to be reflecting themselves rather like two mirrors do in elevators (gah what a naff description)
hence that’s why I thought a metallic silver layer might work. Haven’t a clue really just trying to work it out…
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smart51
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 12:03 PM |
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a translucent colour over a metalic base is called a candy colour. They are very shiny. If you compare the shine of a metalic versus a flat colour,
you get the same difference of a candy over a metalic.
The problem is matching the colour after a repair. The colour darkens the more (and thicker) coats you apply over the base coat.
They are similar to flourescent colours, like dyno rod vans. They are translucent flat colours over white.
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
a translucent colour over a metalic base is called a candy colour. They are very shiny. If you compare the shine of a metalic versus a flat colour,
you get the same difference of a candy over a metalic.
The problem is matching the colour after a repair. The colour darkens the more (and thicker) coats you apply over the base coat.
They are similar to flourescent colours, like dyno rod vans. They are translucent flat colours over white.
oh, sounds a bit out my league then, hmm
ta
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Delinquent
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 01:25 PM |
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TBH the majority of paint finishes at shows look so damn fine because of the after-paint effects more than the paint themselves (providing it's
basically sound!). Even the slightest imperfections in the paint caused by us amateurs buffing and polishing can ruin a paint job.
Have a look at detailing places - with the know how you can get a mile deep gloss from a shabby flat finish if you know what you are doing.
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jonah
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 06:48 PM |
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If you want a reeeeaaaalllllyyyy deep red for example, you would put a cover coat of red top coat followed by a normal top coat the just add laquer to
the gun to make a very pissy red laquer then a clear laquer on top. This gives what looks like a very wet paint finish, really deep and glossy. Same
can be done with black, blue, yellow, orange etc. etc. so long as they are solid colours and the base colour must be a top coat not base coat.
This is not candying as that uses as said a transparent base coat which gets darker and more patchy as it goes on.
I wouldn't advise sanding primer with a very fine paper as you just tend to rub grooves and waves into the finish (the type that looks like a
wobbly cod when caught in the right light). With the primer so long as you rub with 600 or 800 wet and dry and remove all guide coat marks
you'll have a lovely finish however you could probably do with a quick flick with 1200 or 1500 wet and dry and a good hard polish afterwards but
stay away from the edges as you run the risk of burning through the paint with the polishing mop......
sorry for the long reply and i hope it's answers what you were asking...
Jonah
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Danozeman
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| posted on 12/5/08 at 08:20 PM |
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As Joneh says, Add some colour to the laquer top coat. This will give a very deep shine. I tried it when isprayed some skirts for my old car,.
Mettalic black. It had a very very deep shine and easy to achieve.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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