andyharding
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| posted on 4/2/06 at 06:42 PM |
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GTS bonnet
My GTS bonnet is so thin in 400miles it has sagged down and is touching the engine. I had a look at an MK bonnet the other day and it seems light
years ahead. Just a note for anyone trying decide what to use...
So much for the quality making up for the poo service!
[Edited on 4/2/06 by andyharding]
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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ecosse
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| posted on 4/2/06 at 06:51 PM |
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I can't comment on the quality yet as i'm still waiting to see it first hand 
4 weeks since paying and still counting
Going to try MNR or MK for the rest of my bits now.
A question on MK though, I spoke to MKEngineering (yes they even answer the phone  ) regarding a DeDion axle, what is the connection now to
MKSportscars, same people or separate company, anyone dealt with either and able to comment on the service?
Cheers
Alex
PS
Sorry, post hijacking a bit here
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zilspeed
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| posted on 4/2/06 at 06:54 PM |
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Best I've ever seen was on the old Spyder Silverstone which was a proper monocoque construction in it's own right.
Complete with lightweight punched aluminium strengthening ribs. It was like looking at a section of an aircraft.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 4/2/06 at 07:02 PM |
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Brief history:
MK = Martin Keenan, founder of the MK brand of seven style kit cars, GT1's and GTR's.
Sold the seven style kit cars business in 2004 - Now called MK Sportscars.
Martin trades as MK Engineering
Superb service from either company.
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andyharding
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| posted on 4/2/06 at 07:19 PM |
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MK Sportscars is run by Phil, Martins brother so both business' are still in the same family.
I'm using a modified MK Eng. DeDion. Excellent.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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scotty g
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 08:14 AM |
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Which bonnet do you have, the locost bonnet or the Panther bonnet? I would guess that its a locost bonnet as the Panther one is pretty good anyway, it
would be reletively easy to strengthen it up with a re-enforcing rib on the underside running laterally across.
For future reference i know that they have now strengthened all their bonnets to help stop this from happening.
Their GRP guy is working towards improving all the moulds and construction methods to improve the overall quality.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:06 AM |
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If they already know about this problem and are strengthening their bonnets as a result of it, I'd ask for a replacement bonnet
FOC...........
Fit for purpose.... and all that.
[Edited on 5-2-06 by Hellfire]
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scotty g
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:26 AM |
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I would disagree, all companies should have a policy of continuous improvement and developement.
What your saying is that someone who owns a mk1 Focus has a right to taking it back to Ford and demanding a brand new mk2 on the grounds that its a
superior model, it just don't happen.
I would suggest that you give Darren a call and see if he is prepared to help you out in any way but i personally don't see that its his
resposibilty. Add to this the hassle of it all i would recomend doing it yourself, its really very easy.
Cheers.
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andyharding
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:33 AM |
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There's a difference between something which is an improvement over a sound original design and a replacement for a part not fit for the job.
The GTS bonnet I have is not fit for the job and as such I agree 100% with Hellfire.
I could and will add some ribs to the bonnet but I shouldn't have to. I didn't have to improve the wishbones I bought from MK or the
lights I bought from SVC so why is it OK for GTS to sell me crap and it not be there problem?
I'm already on my 2nd bonnet as the first one was damaged due to poo packaging. It took 3 months to get the replacement.
GTS don't seem to send out parts to new paying customers so I reckon my chance of getting a FOC new bonnet is say 0%!
I know how I am going to fix this problem, posting here wasn't to get advice on that subject but to warn others that GTS are a complete and
under waste of time and space and not to buy from them!
No doubt the loyal GTS customers will chirp up now. Unless you've done several hundered miles with your completed car you're not really in
a position to comment on the suitability of a part for the job. How things behave on the road is very different to how good they look in the
garage.
Rant over.
quote:
Originally posted by scotty g
I would disagree, all companies should have a policy of continuous improvement and developement.
What your saying is that someone who owns a mk1 Focus has a right to taking it back to Ford and demanding a brand new mk2 on the grounds that its a
superior model, it just don't happen.
I would suggest that you give Darren a call and see if he is prepared to help you out in any way but i personally don't see that its his
resposibilty. Add to this the hassle of it all i would recomend doing it yourself, its really very easy.
Cheers.
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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scotty g
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:46 AM |
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Wasn't "chirping up", just trying to help, its clearly not appreciated so i'll go now.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 11:07 AM |
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You whingers never cease to amaze me!!
You come on here moaning and rubbishing companies when you haven't even had the common decency to discuss your problem with the people
concerned.
This forum is primarily for builders of Seven style kit or scratch build cars to exchange information to aid them in the construction of such cars.
I personally have nothing to do with GTS, short of owning one, but hate to see people knocking businesses unjustly.
What is your basic aim in keeping attacking one manufacturer? Are you trying to affect his trade and ultimately put him out of business? If you own
one of his products this is not really a very smart move!
I would suggest that if you have problems with any manufacturer there are far more effective courses of action and redress open to you if you have
GENUINE complaints than moaning and whinging on here.
In short…..Put up….or….Shut up.
Now I’ll wait for the attacks…..
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Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 11:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyharding
How things behave on the road is very different to how good they look in the garage.
Rant over.
This is also true of some of the people who drive them....
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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Triton
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 11:23 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scotty g
Which bonnet do you have, the locost bonnet or the Panther bonnet? I would guess that its a locost bonnet as the Panther one is pretty good anyway, it
would be reletively easy to strengthen it up with a re-enforcing rib on the underside running laterally across.
For future reference i know that they have now strengthened all their bonnets to help stop this from happening.
Their GRP guy is working towards improving all the moulds and construction methods to improve the overall quality.
Octopus then
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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scotty g
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 11:56 AM |
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I'm not sure whats worse any more, the constant whinging and bitching or the sarcastics digs that appear on every single thread involving
GTS.
Some people should really get their sh1t together and grow the fu*k up.
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Triton
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 12:04 PM |
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My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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andyharding
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 12:49 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
What is your basic aim in keeping attacking one manufacturer? Are you trying to affect his trade and ultimately put him out of business?
Hit the nail on the head
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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scotty g
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 12:53 PM |
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UTTERLY PATHETIC
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Hellfire
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 02:49 PM |
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If I owned the company GTS, I wouldn't be very happy that Andy had posted his observations on here without discussing it with me first. To
correct the situation, I would send out one of my strengthened bonnets to arrive at Andy's within 24 hours together with a letter of
explanation.
Of course there's nothing he can do about Andy's post and besides, it is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion (however
harsh). That's why Locostbuilders forum exists, to pass on knowledge and information to others and that's what Andy has done. Although it
might seem otherwise at the moment, there is no hate campaign against GTS. So they've got a few disgruntled customers - so what! I'm sure
all manufacturers have a few of them in their time. As others have said before, it's how GTS deals with them that is important.
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Triton
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:27 PM |
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The rubber button question keeps popping into my head......ummmm..wish I knew what I was talking about
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scotty g
UTTERLY PATHETIC
You are so right, it's such a shame that so many builders have got caught up in his problems
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Triton
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:46 PM |
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What was that record Pete Burns did....
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:47 PM |
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Is there a shop that sell lives?
I think there are a few people on here who need to get one!
Sad so very very sad!
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 10:49 PM |
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Do my lips look fat in this????
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Avoneer
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| posted on 5/2/06 at 11:18 PM |
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Reminds me of me & Tiger !!!
Anyway, I agree with everything Andy and Hellfire have said, but the only outcome I can see if re-enforcing the bonnet yourself Andy - not the best
solution I know !
A foam rib coated in fibreglass should do the job.
Look on the bright side - have you ever ever ever seen a Tiger with a bonnet that fits (full stop) ???
Pat...
No trees were killed in the sending of this message.
However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 10:59 AM |
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This sounds like cheap resin being used.
The cheap stuff has a Tg (Glass transition temperature. ie. the temp where it goes soft.) of near 40c. The better resins go up to 75-80c. I use a
top poly resin for some moulds that go in the autoclave, at 80c. And are sometimes pushed over 100c!
Cheap stuff ~ £1.50/kg, top stuff ~£4/kg. Cheap parts, cheap resin, and not much of it, leads to panels that sag in the sun, without the help of a
hot engine underneath.
Syd.
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