NS Dev
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BRAKE CLEANER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just read another thread mentioning brake cleaner and then a huge array of other solvents for cleaning stuff.
You only really need two solvents, brake cleaner for EVERYTHING, and celly thinners for anything that brake cleaner won't work on.
Brake cleaner is AMAZING stuff, and no, it's not acetone, still don't know what it actually is in fact, but it pretty much cleans anything
you don't want off anything you do want! It doesn't attack any plastic that I have tried it on yet, or rubber either, and yet it cleans
pretty much anything nasty off in secs.
Best is it's only £9 for a gallon, so pretty cheap too.
Just a thought, as it seems many are unfamiliar with the magic that is Deb "Stop Quick"
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 01:36 PM |
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I found that it also degreases your fingers very well - I recommend gloves, as skin doesn't like being degreased!
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NS Dev
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 01:40 PM |
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very true, skin does go a bit crusty after lots of contact! gloves a good idea!
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carnut
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 01:41 PM |
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Stings if you get any in your eyes too!
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gingerprince
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 01:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I found that it also degreases your fingers very well - I recommend gloves, as skin doesn't like being degreased!
I found it good for degreasing hands too, but then decided it probably wasn't very good for skin so went straight back to swarfega + sugar!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 01:48 PM |
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My contact was entirely accidental - I would never recommend it for hand cleaning! 
DJ
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Danozeman
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 01:55 PM |
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Brake cleaner is superb stuff. A bloke i work with cleans evrything with it. Hands, face everything. Some of the aerosol ones smell nice too!!
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 02:18 PM |
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AFAIK its a mixture of acid (hence bad in eyes) and a degreaser...
Chris
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NS Dev
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 02:45 PM |
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Cleans owt!!!
My grp bath (as in in the bathroom!) had some horrid stains, think it was my bro's hairwax stuff or something, anyhoo, no amount of
"cif" and that crap would shift it, but one wipe with brake cleaner and it was gleaming.
Old stickers, tank tape etc etc, all come off with a little wipe
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Howlor
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 04:29 PM |
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Best place to buy in bulk?
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James
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 04:43 PM |
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Agreed- it's fantastic stuff.
I have it in aerosol form- cans that are made by Loctite. It's high pressure too so just blasts stuff off. Cans don't last long
though...
Interested you can by it for £9 per gallon!!!
Cheers,
James
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Nick Skidmore
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 04:52 PM |
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Our local Pound Land has it in aerosols for guess what - £1 a tin!
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NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
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C10CoryM
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 05:36 PM |
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At work we buy it in 5gall barrels and have pump up spray guns for it. Works much better than aerosol and is cheaper. Currently we are buying from
the ford dealer I think.
BTW it is full of very nasty things from carcinogens to things that shut down your liver/kidneys. Best to avoid inhalation of it. Not to mention
the fact that it is designed to remove oil from anything. Including your skin so expect dry/cracked skin if you use it on your hands. I now wear
gloves at work mostly because of that stuff cracking my knuckles to the point of bleeding. Also have an old chemical burn that gets agitated
everytime its exposed to just the fumes of brake clean 
"Our watchword evermore shall be: The Maple Leaf Forever!"
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splitrivet
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 05:41 PM |
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Its also delicious on the rocks with tonic or ginger ale.
Cheers,
Bob
I used to be a Werewolf but I'm alright nowwoooooooooooooo
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indykid
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| posted on 6/2/06 at 05:57 PM |
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brakes int sell it, about £8+vat/gal when i got mine. don't know if they'd post it though.
i'd think pages/partco someone big parts suppliers should do it too. halfords stuff smells of lemons, and is about £1.80 on trade for 500ml in
aerosol cans.
it'll get sikaflex off your hands and anywhere it wasn't meant to go too.
tom
[Edited on 6/2/06 by indykid]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 7/2/06 at 01:09 AM |
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sounds about right indykid from brakes int.
I get mine form local parts shop, Central Auto Supplies (CAS) in Hinckley, got a gallon today in fact (well, 5 litres to be all euro correct!) and it
was 9 pound something for the can and free sprayer.
Spent another £80 odd on other shite too but hey ho!
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blueshift
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| posted on 7/2/06 at 07:37 PM |
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We buy crates of Wurth brake cleaner at work. use it for pretty much everything including opening up ECUs (melts heat conductive glue) and cleaning
PCBs and solder joints.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 7/2/06 at 07:58 PM |
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Was once told by a Wynn's rep that some brake cleaners if used as carbcleaner when the engine is running give out mustard gas as used in WW1 .
be careful if using this way.
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wilkingj
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| posted on 19/2/06 at 08:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Was once told by a Wynn's rep that some brake cleaners if used as carbcleaner when the engine is running give out mustard gas as used in WW1 .
be careful if using this way.
Mustard gas = Phosgene gas
ALWAYS wear gloves and at least a paper face mask.
I inhaled large quanitities of Algae, from pressure washing my drive.
Within 48 hours I couldnt walk, and was in hospital and completely paralysed within 4 days.
The algae was the toxic Blue / Green type (Anyone rember dogs dying from swimming in Rutland water about 10 years ago?)
I had two weeks completely paralysed in Hospital, and spent 6 months recovering enough so I could walk and go back to work.
10 years on, I have no stamina, loss of feeling in hands and legs.
The toxic shock from the Algae was enough to kick my immune system into action and it attacked ME. It attacked and inflamed my nerver receptors (ends)
thus paralysing me.
How it happened (Toxic shock / Algae) is uncommon. However, it happened.
Its a shitty thang to have, and have never returned to normality. (Was I ever normal in the first place)
if you want to read up on this type of thing, have a look at:
http://www.gbs.org.uk
and read some of the guestbook entries.
PLEASE TAKE CARE on what you get on your skin. Solvents are readily absorbed by the skin, and can attack nerves.
Farmers can get simmilar effect from Organic Fertilisers.
Wear Latex gloves as a mnimum (cheapest). However they do disolve with solvent contact. In which case use Nitrile Gloves (more expensive).
I wear nitrile over laytex when handling solvents.
Oh... and even a cheap paper face mask is better than nothing, as it will absorb some of the airborne vapours / mist / droplets.
PLEASE TAKE CARE of yourselves when using these chemicals. After all you wouldnt drink battery acid would you. These other solvents and chemicals are
just as nasty in a different way.
PS... read the website, it will change your mind about handling things that can affect your health. OK its not 100% related, but it shows what can
happen if you weaken or damage the "wiring" in your body.
DONT END UP LIKE ME. (I got GBS not CIDP)
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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907
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| posted on 19/2/06 at 09:31 AM |
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If I remember my college days correctly, Mustard gas / Phosgene
is cooperous acetilide (speeling) which is why copper fittings should
never be used on acetylene cylinders, brass only.
It is a long long time ago though.
Yup, I know, I'm an anorak. 
Paul G
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chrsgrain
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| posted on 19/2/06 at 09:58 AM |
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Hi all,
most likely that you could get mustard gas out the back having heated brake cleaner, as its bis-(2-chloroethyl) sulfide, which can be made be heating
some of the stuff thats likely to be in brake cleaner - like sulphuric acid! It will blister your skin, attack your eyes and if inhaled enough will
blister the inside of your lungs!!!
Phosgene on the other hand is carbonyl chloride, COCl2. This is made by combining carbon monoxide and chlorine gas - such as you might get from
hydrochloric acid heated up (which is also likely to be in brake cleaner!). Phosgene breaks down in your lungs into carbon dioxide and hydrochloric
acid - which is obviously also a bad thing!!
Basically don't heat up things that you don't fully understand and then breathe them in!
Chris
PS part of my job is the treatment of chemical weapon injuries!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/2/06 at 03:23 PM |
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A long while back my father-in-law designed the ore handling plant at Mond nickel refinery, Clydach (up the Swansea valley), Basically, the nickel
ore is heated up in a vast rotary kiln, treated in various ways, then condensed as nickel metal. The gas that flows around is nickel carbonile,
which is very close in danger and effect to WW1 gas - and it's right in the middle of a small town - I don't like Clydach, but I
wouldn't wish a gas leak on them!
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The Shootist
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 posted on 20/2/06 at 05:20 PM |
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Brake Cleaner
Brake cleaner is PERK.....Perchloroethylene.
If it was acidic it would eat up components. Bad liability.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 20/2/06 at 05:40 PM |
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Here's one companies COSHH form for a generic brake cleaner:
http://www.pro-align.co.uk/aboutus/hands/coshh/COSHH-05-25%20-%20Rev%201%20-%2025%20Apr%2005%20-%20Stop%20Quick%20(Deb).pdf
PERK actually falls into the same category of organic solvents as trichloroethylene and dichloroethylene (just different amounts of chlorine, yes if
you heat it up enough you will get chlorine gas, which is very very nasty. If you get the right conditions you can get a gas very similar (not the
same as though) to mustard gas which is otherwise known as thioether, 2,2 '-dichlorodiethyl sulfide, (ClCH2CH2 ) 2S)).
All of the chloroethylene solvents are known to cause nerve damage in cases of long term or repeated contact and they are known to cause dermatitis as
well.
All organic solvents used in degreasers exert a narcotic effect at high concentrations and can be fatal in very high doses (usually occurring
industrially when people enter solvent tanks to clean them out)
David
[Edited on 20/2/06 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 20/2/06 at 08:12 PM |
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Yeah , have to agree with the solvent tank business. A guy died in Cambridge at an electro plating company a few years ago cleaning out a tank.
Petrol can be almost as bad, once had a car over a pit that leaked petrol , got into pit to clean it up and woke up in A & E. Just be careful out
there!
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