donut
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 posted on 9/1/08 at 10:11 AM |
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Paint no longer available?!?
Was talking to a body shop painter yesterday and he was talking about having problems getting paint. It seems that the industry is in limbo at the
moment. 2 pack is now illegal [i think] from end of Dec07, Water based paint need a clear coat which is still being developed. He had real trouble
getting midnight blue for an MG he was respraying and it cost allot more than it did 2 months ago.
Does this mean the demise of independent back street sprayers?
Anyone else heard anything?
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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02GF74
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 10:18 AM |
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use wax crayons!
when I asked Mr. Paint, my local paint supplier ( that is not his real name but what I calls him) about the demise of cellulose he said it is still
avaialbe for the home builder but not for commercial users. There seemed to be no problem in me getting my orange paint.
why did your bloke have trouble getting paint? It is mixed up on premises.
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nib1980
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 10:20 AM |
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Got mine from a guy in bedford, will make any olour up you want at a good price.
this is on ebay
Link
[Edited on 9/1/08 by nib1980]
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BenB
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 10:25 AM |
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2K and 2pac are being phased out due to the solvents they use. Cellulose is supposed to only be available for "historic" vehicles but
there aren't IIRC regulations stating that the shops actually have to do much to ensure that that's what it's being used for.....
Water based paints are the replacements. Some people recommend a clear coat on top to make sure the pigments don't run if the surface gets
chipped (ie if water gets to the water-soluable bits). However, a lot of people reckon it's not needed with the more recent paints...
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donut
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 10:34 AM |
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2 Pack or whatever is suposed to be replaced with water based paint which is non toxic however the clear coat that has to go on top is toxic but they
say it still cuts the toxic's by half or more.
My mate had trouble because everyone is stocking up on the 2 pack. Regs state that 2 pack is no longer to be sold to trade from end 2007. Dunno about
public though.
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 10:38 AM |
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I still get cellulose no trouble, and thinners for it which also gets used for cleaning. It says for professional use only on it so I'm a
professional now.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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need4speed
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 11:05 AM |
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Nu-Agane in Bedford is good but if your not in a hurry Autopaint International
Marl Road Knowsley Industrial Park North Knowsley , Liverpool, L33 7UH
Tel: 0151-549-1409 is much cheaper and do mail order.
Cheers,
Dave
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donut
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 11:38 AM |
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I'm not after paint at all, i was just seeing if all what i was told was true and if it was what was being done.
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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viatron
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 01:45 PM |
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Bitec in Telford do Cellulose "For use on a commercial vehicle only though"
01952-583203
Was quoted £10 + VAT for a litre of white on Saturday,
Tehy will also post
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jono_misfit
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 02:45 PM |
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I bought paint before christmas because id read this was going to be happening. The government legislation is still out to consultation according to
the DTi web page.
I bought paint from www.jawel.co.uk who told me at the time their still buying paint and untill officialy told they cant sell it / buy it they will be
selling it. The bloke i spoke to though it would be quite a while yet.
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Volvorsport
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 02:54 PM |
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it means for any back street bodyshop that dont have a dedicated booth , they have to have one , since water based only dries on movement of air with
no catalyst . It surely has repercussions with the Smart repairs etc .
www.dbsmotorsport.co.uk
getting dirty under a bus
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Duncan_P
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 03:16 PM |
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Did I also read somewhere that car manufactures have an exemption from this until goodness knows when?
If so then as per usual its one rule for the big guys and screw the little guys.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 06:49 PM |
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The 80/20 rule in reverse, target the small users who have a limited impact, and let those that create the most problems carry on.quote:
Originally
posted by Duncan_P
Did I also read somewhere that car manufactures have an exemption from this until goodness knows when?
If so then as per usual its one rule for the big guys and screw the little guys.
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blue2cv
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 06:49 PM |
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The phasing out of solvent based paints actually started jan 07.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 9/1/08 at 08:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BenB
2K and 2pac are being phased out due to the solvents they use. Cellulose is supposed to only be available for "historic" vehicles but
there aren't IIRC regulations stating that the shops actually have to do much to ensure that that's what it's being used for.....
Water based paints are the replacements. Some people recommend a clear coat on top to make sure the pigments don't run if the surface gets
chipped (ie if water gets to the water-soluable bits). However, a lot of people reckon it's not needed with the more recent paints...
Clearcoats are not just recommended, they are essential! The water bourne paints are non convertible water soluble which means they stay water soluble
and it is only the (2k) clear which prevents the rain washing it all off. The wet mixed paint is not the same colour as the dried applied paint so
colour matching is a case of using sprayout cards and comparing the results.
Cellulose is still available to 'registered classic car restorers'
Synthetic should now be unobtainable.
2k cannot be used by bodyshops with a VOC of more than 500kgs, but is still available to licenced small bodyshops. I was never supposed to be
available to the general public (although we all know it was)
Waterbourne is unuseable unless you have £80,000 of low bake spray booth.
Hope this clears it up a bit
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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