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Marcus - 22/3/09 at 08:19 PM

This is hypothetical really, but I'd be interested to know if it would work.
On a track day / race where every bhp is at a premium, would it be worthwhile disabling the alternator using an Air Con solenoid on the pulley so that only the pulley spins with a switch to kick in the alternator itself when needed.


Howlor - 22/3/09 at 08:21 PM

Yep my BMW does that. It kicks in when you brake.

Steve


Paul TigerB6 - 22/3/09 at 08:22 PM

I wouldnt say power is at a premium on a track day........... and race regulations will likely require an alternator in which case its fitted, or not in which case it wont be!!


zilspeed - 22/3/09 at 08:41 PM

I cerainly know people who run without alternators in race situations.
Save a little power and saves a little weight.
Not so sure it's worth the grief of arranging a bypass system if you're still carrying the alternator around everywhere.


ReMan - 22/3/09 at 09:19 PM

A few more pounds of skil will be of more benefit, allegedly


Marcus - 22/3/09 at 09:42 PM

quote:

Yep my BMW does that. It kicks in when you brake.



Bugger, the amount of things I've invented over the years....10 years after someone else is amazing
Sat Nav, car stereos with USB ports on, in-car pcs and many more......all mine I tell you!!!!


02GF74 - 22/3/09 at 10:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Howlor
Yep my BMW does that. It kicks in when you brake.

Steve


that's damn clever - increase engine load to help engine braking.

Does it use a relay operated by brake pedal to connect alternator electricazlly or is there some mechanics to coneect the alternator drive?


tootall - 22/3/09 at 11:28 PM

its controled by the ecu as it turns on and off as battery charge rises and falls and when brakes are applyed its only a symple switch usualy a elecromagntic clutch built into alternator or air con pully so it free wheels


mcerd1 - 23/3/09 at 10:03 AM

(I'm not that good with this stuff)

but can't you just disconnect the altenator eletricaly to reduce the load ?
(an isolator switch / relay wired up to what ever you like ?)

it might not be as good as the clutch in the pulley, but its allot cheaper and probably lighter


BenB - 23/3/09 at 10:59 AM

There are some reports that suggest that running an alternator unplugged can cause all kinds of mischieve inside the regulator because all the lovely juice being made isn't going anywhere. It's true it'll take less power to turn it over than if you had it connected but might cause problems in other ways...


mcerd1 - 23/3/09 at 11:29 AM

quote:
Originally posted by BenB
but might cause problems in other ways...


in that case I guess you'd need to wire in the cut-out inside the altenator - before the regulator if thats possible :?


trikerneil - 23/3/09 at 11:36 AM

If you fitted a switch into the field coil then the alternator wouldn't generate any power, this would reduce the load on the engine

I use this system on a home made generator I built so that startng the engine is easier. As soon as the engine is running at speed I switch the field coils back on and charging begins.

I only use this for a few seconds at each startup, I don't know if there are any long-term implications.

HTH

Neil


02GF74 - 23/3/09 at 02:15 PM

^^^^ was gonna post about this; disconnecting alternator, as I said in my origianl response - well it was late on Sunday - is not too clever for reasins mentions.

I thorght some more about it and disconnecting the filed current - i.e. the charge lamp would be a better and safeer solution.


procomp - 24/3/09 at 08:16 AM

Hi

LOL this is a subject that comes up around every race paddock.

If the race regs say you have to have a fully working alternator then it's really quite simple. Make sure the battery is fully charged before starting the race. The alternator is not then working it's nuts off trying to charge the battery. However if the Regs say the alternator is optional ( Ie classic formula ford ) then dont fit one at all.

It's why you see lots of racers having there cars push started in the collecting area.

Cheers Matt