milkman0012
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 posted on 13/11/07 at 01:38 PM |
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Pinto Engine Swap!
Hi there all,I have just registered,and already i need to pick your brains.
I am swapping my 2.0 pinto (1982) for a 2.0 pinto (1992).I thought it would be an easy job,but looking at the difference in wiring,i can see i'm
gonne be struggling.
I reckon the new enging is from a Transit Camper,but it looks like it needs an ECU to connect it up to.
Would it be an easy job to wire in all the bells and whistles required(i am purely a novice as a spanner man)...But definately up for a challenge.
Any info will help...Cheers
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rayward
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 01:44 PM |
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Hi and welcome.
is the new engine injection or carbs?.
presuming the old engine is carb'd you could just use the carb+dizzy off the old engine, and fit it to the new one, then in theory the wiring
would be the same.
the other question is, why are you swapping a pinto for a pinto?.
Ray
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milkman0012
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:17 PM |
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mmm...
Well,i'm swapping coz the head gasket has blown,and the new engine was v cheap,and only done 30,000 miles.
Its got carbs on it,not the 32/36 Weber's tho...
Also came with a 5 speed box,and mine only has 4 speed...
New engine has electronic ignition(much better than points im told)...I have got all winter to sort it...
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24vseven
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:18 PM |
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hi and welcome you also need to check the compresion ratios as most transit type engines were low comp engines and therefor low on power compared to
standard pintos you need to check the engine numbers if the conversion is purely to be able to use unleaded just fit the head
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milkman0012
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:28 PM |
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Not too fussed about the power really,have owned my Robin Hood S7 for 3 years and have done less than 1000 miles in it...
Me and the AA man are best friends now...
It's a matter of pride...Me versus the machine...
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nick205
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:32 PM |
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I'd replace the head gasket on the existing engine and possibly re-fit the newer cylinder head from the Transit engine (after checking that it
won't drop the compression ratio). If you take the engine out to do the head gasket then swap the gearboxes while you have it all out of the
car.
Drop it all back in, connect up the wires and hoses without needing to make any changes and away you go.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:34 PM |
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Personally I wouldn't bother with the electronics - just use the carb and dizzy from your old engine - you can get aftermarket electronic dizzys
that don't need an ECU that would save you the hassle with the points (lumnition kits, H&H, etc...)
the later bottom end (will have '205' cast into the side of the block) is a bit stronger (and heavier) and has slightly stronger conrods -
but if your sticking with std. carbs then that probably won't matter to you
on the car engines ford claim to get 10hp more form the EFI engine, but that's mostly due to a better designed head rather than the EFI itself,
so you'll get the same benefit just by swapping to an EFI head (the efi heads have 'egg shaped' inlet ports)
I started with an EFI 2.0 pinto from an 89 Granada and was meaning to re-build it and fit it as a standard engine, but took one look at the wiring and
its ended up with ZX9R bike carbs and megajolt (DIY programmable electronic ignition) and while I was at it a 285 cam and bored out to 93mm (2.1L)
its also got some cossie bits  (expensive and not needed, but later I plan to swap to a cossie 16v head and get a near to 9000rpm redline  )
unfortunately I can't tell you how it drives - I'm still building it 
-Robert
[Edited on 13/11/07 by mcerd1]
I must be really slow at typing
[Edited on 13/11/07 by mcerd1]
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mitch2b
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:48 PM |
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Just swop the dizzy over has said previously,
but the next problem will be the gearbox, unfortunately the mounting points are not the same,for the five speed, and you will need a new prop,(splines
are not the same and lenght is different for the mileage you do it probably isnt worth the hassle.
hth
Mitch
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mitch2b
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:53 PM |
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on second thoughts you need this system
http://nw.rhocar.org/inductive_ign.htm
Mitch
ps was the engine from ebay?, if its the one i was watching it had a mt75 box, so that wont even it in the Hood
sorry
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mcerd1
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 02:59 PM |
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If I were doing this on a budget I'd get my hands on a std EFI head (if your transit one isn't the later type you can get them cheap
enough) and get it and the block skimed (this would let you rase the compression ratio a bit if you like)
fit your old carb to it (assuming its better than the transit one) then if you can afford it get an aftermarket electronic ignition setup (if not just
use the old dizzy or one like Mitch suggests)
also like Mitch says the gearbox isn't a strait swap - one advantage that you old engine and 4 speed box both have is they are lighter than the
later ones
[Edited on 13/11/07 by mcerd1]
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milkman0012
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 03:22 PM |
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Oh dear,sounds like i gotta lot of work to do...
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Pdlewis
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 04:27 PM |
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Milkman
where abouts in leicester are you? it should really be to much work I changed the head gasket on mine after putting the new engine in this year
without knowing anything about engines and eventually got it running well but i wouldnt stick the tranship engine in
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milkman0012
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| posted on 13/11/07 at 06:02 PM |
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Grrrr
Sounds like i should get rid of newly acquired engine...was too much to ask for a straight forward swap...hey ho,you live and learn...
Mrs says if it dont run soon she is gonna fill it with plants!...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 11:57 AM |
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the quickest + cheapest way is possibly just to fix the old engine
new head gasket, skim the head and block if needed - job done (assuming you don't find any other problems)
If you did this now you'd be back on the road, then could use the transit engine (or get other engine) as a starting point for some upgrades
when you've got time if you want - this way you could build your self an engine that would be a strait swap
if you post some pics of the transit engine I'm sure between all of us we can help you work out what you've got (and what the best
combination of standard parts could be)
[Edited on 14/11/07 by mcerd1]
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milkman0012
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 03:33 PM |
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Have just been offered a 205 block pinto for free so i think i will just swap engines and transfer my carbs and dizzy onto it...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 05:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by milkman0012
Have just been offered a 205 block pinto for free so i think i will just swap engines and transfer my carbs and dizzy onto it...
now you just need a free EFI head
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milkman0012
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| posted on 14/11/07 at 09:19 PM |
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Dont think im that lucky...
But its nearly christmas...
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mcerd1
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| posted on 15/11/07 at 09:11 AM |
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I've got another whole 205 block EFI engine (from an 89 Granada) that I'm hanging onto just now for spares
I got both my engines in complete cars for £0 - and they were only next door so delivery cost £0 too, but that was really lucky
the std heads sometines come up on ebay for a sensable price - its the delivery charge thats the killer
stick an ad on the wanted section here - someone will have a spare head kicking about for a couple of ££
or try the free ad's papers you could get a whole car for spares or repair and sell on all the bits you don't need (running gear on here,
the rest to the scrap)
just don't let me talk you into a much bigger project than you wanted
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