Ugg10
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| posted on 27/11/15 at 08:39 PM |
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Puma alternator wiring
Just plumbing in my zetec SE 1.7 puma engine and have a quick question.
The alernator us the stick ford one which has a two pin plug on the top (plus main power cable stud), can anyone tell me what these are for as I have
only used ones in the past with the power cable and a charge light feed.
Thanks in advance for replies.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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DW100
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| posted on 27/11/15 at 11:18 PM |
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It will be Fords smart charge system, controlled by the ecu.
Nicked a picture from another forum
 
Description
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Ugg10
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| posted on 27/11/15 at 11:53 PM |
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Thanks, so do I need this to run the alternator or will it go into some wierd mode if I leave these disconnected or connect one to the charge light
input on my etb digidash?
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 08:24 AM |
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The alternator charge rate is controlled by pulse width modualation from the ECU and alternator also sends a digital signal to the ECU to enable
the ECU to monitor the alternator and idle speed.
The ECU will function without the alternator signal but the alternator won't work without the ECU. As far as I know there is no way to get this
alternator to work correctly without ECU control.
The instrument cluster on the original car will be entirely ECU driven , I would think it more than likely that the charge warning light is not hard
wired directly from the ECU but driven from a micro processor in the instrument cluster?
Scanner Dannner has a YouTube video on his premium channel showing one of the Ford US smart charge systems.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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ianhurley20
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 10:05 AM |
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Sounds like the same PD wiring the Mk 2 MX5 has (they are both the same parent company). There is a recent thread which details replacing the ECU with
a regulator circuit
here http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/5/viewthread.php?tid=200888
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Ugg10
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 12:47 PM |
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Many thanks guys, much appreciated. So, as an alternative, can anyone suggest an alternator that fits without too many mods and is of the older non
ecu controlled type, dies the older zetec e fit?. I have a daewoo matiz small densomtype but this will need mounts etc making.
Thanks
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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theprisioner
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 01:26 PM |
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As far as I know if you leave off the ECU control it reverts to normal type alternator. The ECU control is for ultra fast charging when cold on
certain types of batteries (which escape me).
http://sylvabuild.blogspot.com/
http://austin7special.blogspot.co.uk/
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Ugg10
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 02:33 PM |
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Thanks, that tallies with a reply on another forum, all I loose is the charge light which I can live with and I think my dash has a volt meter anyway.
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 04:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by theprisioner
As far as I know if you leave off the ECU control it reverts to normal type alternator. The ECU control is for ultra fast charging when cold on
certain types of batteries (which escape me).
Disconnecting the ECU plug is a diagnostic test only.
If you disconnect the ECU lead the alternator will kick out 17 to 20 volts which will fry the electrical system and blow every bulb in the car in a
very short time,
see http://www.valeoservice.com/data/master/webfile/2945759434DDE6E8714173.pdf
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 04:20 PM |
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Interesting, that is the oposite from the advice on the other forum, thay said it reverts to 13.5v if disconnected but disables the fast charge, turn
over charging and full battery cut off features. Now I am confused?
Note, the link talks about a three pin plug, mine is a two pin, is there a difference?
[Edited on 28/11/15 by Ugg10]
[Edited on 28/11/15 by Ugg10]
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 05:21 PM |
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Not all Fords use the same system Mazda also have other systems.
Some of them have a system where the voltage on control pin on the alternator is pulled down by the duty cycle of a square wave from the alternator to
control the output, zero volts on control pin = the alternator full output.
It makes you appreciate the simplicity of the old 3 wire ACR alternators
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 28/11/15 at 05:35 PM |
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Daft question, can I spin it up with a drill and see what comes out the main feed cable stud?
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1968 Ford Anglia 105e, 1.7 Zetec SE, Mk2 Escort Workd Cup front end, 5 link rear
Build Blog - http://Anglia1968.weebly.com
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