mark chandler
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 09:52 PM |
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Question for Silicon techie types out there
Hi,
I surfed this off the site a few days ago, cannot remember who posted it but the enclosed circuit halves the pulses supplied by the LED switch.
What do I need to do to make the output circuit double/treble the signal or better still make it variable ?
I had a look at the various worksheets and just got more confused.
Do I just link outputs ? or better still can I add a POT so I can vary the clock speed.
Any help in the need of a diagram with show monkey, monkey do text will take me a long way.
Cheers Mark
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 10:43 PM |
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Diving a frequency down by an integer amount is a fairly trivial problem, but doubling the frequency is somewhat more difficult, tripling or providing
a variable ratio is much more difficult.
To double you simply need to fire a monostable on both edges of the input. The probem with this is it gives a fixed pulse width, so duty cycles will
vary as input frequency changes, and this will put an upper limit on the input frequency.
This is a simple circuit using cheap, easily available components:
http://users.otenet.gr/~athsam/frequency_doubler_with_4011.htm
To provide an arbitrary multiplier with an analog solution you need something called a Phase Locked Loop. Unfortunately designing these so they work
robustly over a wide frequency range is not trivial and requires a reasonable knowledge of filter design. http://www.circuitsage.com/pll.html
The alternative, if the frequencies involved are low enough is to use a micro such as a PIC or AVR to perform the multiplication for you: essentially
measure the input period and then generate an output pulse with some fraction of the measured period. This is the way I would go personally.
There is also another possibility, but it won't be very precise. In stead of a Phase Locked loop, you can run an open loop converter. Firstly
convert the incoming frequency to a voltage using a monostable and low pass filter (or a proper F/V converter IC such as LM2917). Scale the output
with an non-inverting amplifier (using pot to control gain) and feed the voltage back into a Voltage/Frequency converter (e.g. LM331). This gives you
infinite adjustment of the input/output frequency ratio, but it will tend to drift (i.e. the frequency ratio is not locked in anyway, but will tend to
vary a bit with temperature etc.). Also getting this to work properly down to very low frequencies may prove challenging.
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Bob C
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 10:58 PM |
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Do you really want to know?
Dividing by an integer is easy - build a wee counter. Multiplying is much trickier - it's possible by a couple of systems:
1) the crap way: f to V converter followed by amplifier, followed by V to f converter. It's an analog system so it has drifts & offsets but
could be made to work
2) proper way - make a PLL (phase locked loop) with a divider in the feedback path - you end up with a frequency multiplier. If you're using a
4046 CMOS PLL chip use the fancy phase sensetive detector (not the XOR gate) as this is wide range & locks better.
3) there will be a PIC (or similar) microprocessor with an internal timer which could measure one frequency & output a multiple of it
Dividing by a number other than an integer - you actually multiply the frequency by between 0 and 1 using a technique called direct digital synthesis
(actually same circuit is used for delta sigma DAC in your CD player....)
Hardware, you'd not use raw logic for any of this, - 1) you could actually use those analog fpgas that zetex have been trying to sell for ages -
the only time I've ever thought of a use for them!) 2) and DDS are asking for FPGA although cheapest & easiest for all is probably a PIC:
but you need to know the techniques in order to write the software.....
I can't believe I wrote all that b/s - 'fraid it's one of those - 'if you have to ask the question the answer won't mean
much' situations... ;^)
Bob
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mark chandler
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 11:14 PM |
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Wow very comprehensive replies, I can see how the 4011 chipset works but the rest is I,m afraid a mystery unless I was to work through some
examples.
Looks like plan A is going to carry on with lots of slots or magnets depending on hall or optical mechnisms to trigger my speedo.
Many Thanks
Mark
[Edited on 22/1/07 by mark chandler]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 23/1/07 at 09:02 AM |
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