MakeEverything
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 01:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
so if DVLA had never given tax exempt status to any cars we would never have such a thing as classic cars?
But they did, so we do. It's not tax exempt status, it's historical status.
I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I've had loooong conversations about this and still have yet to be shown / proven something that
states that anything other than a Pre-73 vehicle is a classic.
[Edited on 9-2-12 by MakeEverything]
[Edited on 9-2-12 by MakeEverything]
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 01:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
But they did, so we do.
I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I've had loooong conversations about this and still have yet to be shown / proven something that
states that anything other than a Pre-73 vehicle is a classic.
I dont know where you getting the idea that the DVLA define classic cars. They define the taxation status of a historic vehicle. Its 2 completely
different things.
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D Beddows
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:01 PM |
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I'm 100% with him ^^^^ !
So a Ford Escort (just for example) registered in 1972 is a classic but not an identical one registered in 1973??? just because the DVLA don't
give it free road tax!?
[Edited on 9/2/12 by D Beddows]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by D Beddows
I'm 100% with him ^^^^ !
Careful, people will talk... 
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SeaBass
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:04 PM |
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^^^^ Same here - the DVLA only deal with tax status.
Oh an BTW I've never seen an antique with a mark underneath saying "Antique" LOLZ.
I think the OP should have mentioned "desirable" or "valuable" classic. Most old vehicles will become classics but they
won't all become desirable - Maxi is a good example!
[Edited on 9/2/12 by SeaBass]
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
But they did, so we do.
I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I've had loooong conversations about this and still have yet to be shown / proven something that
states that anything other than a Pre-73 vehicle is a classic.
I dont know where you getting the idea that the DVLA define classic cars. They define the taxation status of a historic vehicle. Its 2 completely
different things.
They are two different things, but the taxation class is directly linked to the specifics of the vehicle. The specifics, drive the taxation class.
See reliant example above.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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SeaBass
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:06 PM |
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Yikes - any minute now someone will be likened to Hitler
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:06 PM |
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The reliant is a trike, thats what makes not a car. A 4 wheel reliant is still a car!
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:07 PM |
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:14 PM |
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I have a Sierra P100 pickup which will get restored soon, I consider this to be in the class of vehicle the OP is referring to. Unusual and becoming
rarer.
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NigeEss
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by swanny
i thought that the OP's point was more about which cars would become classics in the broader sense rather than a tech ical definition
paul
It was.
To me, modern cars are all much of a muchness, similar looks and they all do what they're designed for.
There's just no character to them.
However, when they get rare enough then even a Mondeo or Focus will be lovingly restored by someone
who liked them when they had one. And regardless of the definition they will be called classics.
IMHO the modern(ish) cars that I regard as worthy are
E30 BMW, Mk 4 Astra Sport, MR2 (1 & 2). Probably as I have one of each at some point (apart from MR2-2)
and have fond memories.
Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.................Douglas Adams.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
The reliant is a trike, thats what makes not a car. A 4 wheel reliant is still a car!
But the taxation class specifies it as a motorcycle (bicycle), which means you can drive it on a provisional license, and pay motorcycle tax rates.
Seabass, you're right, but just trying to get my point across. I used to say exactly the same things as loggyboy, until an insurance company
asked me to prove it, before they considered a classic car policy (significant cost difference). I did a lot of research and even spent an age on the
phone to DVLA themselves, and they said exactly what I say now. As far as proof goes, the only way that you can categorically say that a car is a
classic, is if it's is recognised so, by a recognised governing body. The example that the guy at DVLA used, was an electrician cannot call
himself such, unless having been trained and qualified by a recognised governing body. The IET and HSE say the same things for a whole range of
different topics, in that it needs to be demonstrable and credible.
The result of my case with this particular car was that they wouldn't insure it as a classic, because it was a '74. Nothing I could have
done could change that. Things have changed a bit now though, and insurance companies do say that cars over 10years are classics, but thats not a
credible governing body.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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D Beddows
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:30 PM |
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Edited to say: oh never mind 
[Edited on 9/2/12 by D Beddows]
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
The reliant is a trike, thats what makes not a car. A 4 wheel reliant is still a car!
But the taxation class specifies it as a motorcycle (bicycle), which means you can drive it on a provisional license, and pay motorcycle tax rates.
You cant drive a robin reliant on a provisional (unsupervised)- thats a urban myth. https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q504.htm
The taxation class is different to that of what the licence class is.
[Edited on 9/2/12 by loggyboy]
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:38 PM |
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Ok, fair enough on the robin, but I still haven't seen any credible definition of a classic other than that in the taxation class of historic
vehicle.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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iank
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:47 PM |
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People were arguing/bickering about what cars should be called classics at least 10 years before they introduced the tax free historic status.
There is no definition that covers everything you or I might consider to be classic.
The classic car magazines already do features on Mk1 MX5's which some already consider to be classics.
I'd not get hung up over it, life's way too short.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 02:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
People were arguing/bickering about what cars should be called classics at least 10 years before they introduced the tax free historic status.
There is no definition that covers everything you or I might consider to be classic.
The classic car magazines already do features on Mk1 MX5's which some already consider to be classics.
I'd not get hung up over it, life's way too short.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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Macbeast
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 05:03 PM |
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A Classic should be defined as a car that when introduced was significantly different to / better than the other cars of the time. Examples would be -
Mini - transverse engine, front wheel drive: Ford Capri - styled to look like a race car: E-type Jaguar - performance sports: Ford Escort Mexico -
rally performance.
School run / shopping trolley cars will never be classics, no matter how old.
I'm addicted to brake fluid, but I can stop anytime.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 05:12 PM |
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I feel this argument is the same as (insert name) is a good footballer because FIFA say so, or because we say so?
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loggyboy
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 05:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
A Classic should be defined as a car that when introduced was significantly different to / better than the other cars of the time. Examples would be -
Mini - transverse engine, front wheel drive: Ford Capri - styled to look like a race car: E-type Jaguar - performance sports: Ford Escort Mexico -
rally performance.
School run / shopping trolley cars will never be classics, no matter how old.
I could list a plenty of 'normal' cars that would be considered classics.
Eg
Alegro
Anglia
Cortina
Chevette
Monza
Trabant!
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AndyW
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 05:40 PM |
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My post was too see what people would percieve as "classic" in the future. Not whats classed as a classic by dvla or anyone else. Just
what peoples views would be as to which of our current modern cars will be sort after projects in the future.
I still have a fondness of:
Nova 1.3SR original not chav'd up
Cavalier GSi
Cavalier Turbo
Maybe to do with my vauxhall up bringing.
I would love a bog standard car as above restored to former glory. One day
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scootz
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 05:46 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyW
Nova 1.3SR...
Be still my beating heart! 17 year old Scootz LOVED those!
It's Evolution Baby!
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gottabedone
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 05:54 PM |
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We are talking about both rare and classic cars.
The idea that when a car became a certain age (25 yrs) it was a classic was great for an ongoing motoring history but doing away with that and
introducing the scrappage scheme i think was a kick in the nuts for a whole era of motoring history.
Above we're talking about Chevette's and Cortina's but from the same era I would say that a classic cars are Firenza, Ascona, Audi
Coupe.....It's down to point of view.
We associate a classic with being rare and old/expensive/exotic or a pedigree yet now you can spend £3k on an Allegro - not because it's classic
but because it's becoming rare and unavailable.
Steve
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AndyW
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 06:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by AndyW
Nova 1.3SR...
Be still my beating heart! 17 year old Scootz LOVED those!
my first car when I was 17, on an E plate!!
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PSpirine
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| posted on 9/2/12 at 06:27 PM |
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I reckon Mk1 TT will stop depreciating at some point due to "classic" status.
However.. I've got one and it's a rubbish car! Not that rubbishness has anything to do with successful classic status.
Last of the Hummmers, current Range Rover, Mitsubishi Evo and Subaru Imprezas may well get some sort of status depending on how much future models
lose in terms of driver involvement. Nissan GTR, alongside the K11 and K12 Micras and the Figaros - all three for different reasons.
Smart cars will probably get to a stage at some point when they're considered classics as the original "squished urban car". Whether
the iQ will manage to pull the same off I don't know.
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