se7en
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 11:16 AM |
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Statistics on MOT failures
I came across this information whilst looking for something on the DVA site. (DVA not DVLA, ie in Northern Ireland).
I was amazed at the number of brake and suspension failures every month. 
Read on
Tom
[Edited on 8/6/11 by se7en]
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smart51
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 11:25 AM |
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brake and suspension failures can be relatively minor. I had one once where one of the rear callipers was a bit lazy. It failed on brake balance.
The car stopped well and in a straight line, but failed on the dyno. The handbrake worked a bit better when the problem was fixed.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 11:31 AM |
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Whats one of the easiest but not to expensive things to replace on a car? And what makes you think - i best get them replaced, they are important.
Yep you guessed it brakes! Not that im being cynical?! But sound like the best way to for a garage to top up their income.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 11:33 AM |
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Brake imbalance is in a different category in the list, makes the figures even worse !
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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adithorp
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 11:35 AM |
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A couple of things to bear in mind...
Many drivers (unlike locostbuilders) have NO idea how there car works or what an MOT involves. I'm regularly get "Do I really need the
brakes/tyres/springs fixing? It's just another Gov' rip off! The wife only uses it to run the kids about."
More cars would fail on electrial items but many people will check them before going for test and also many trade MOT's (ie. garages carrying
out a test for a customer at the same time as doing a service) are checked and faults rectified before presenting for a test. In other words, the
condition of cars on the road is worse than the MOT ststs' would indicate.
Immagine how bad they'd be if we went to 4 years before first test and then every 2 years after that (4,2,2 testing) as is being proposed?
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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jabs
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 11:40 AM |
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Interesting that their MOT's are carried out by the DVA and not garages so better reflection of true problems as they are not touting for work
also their MOT is only £30.50
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SeaBass
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 12:17 PM |
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Feck me - look how many FAILED for headlamp alignment. WTF? That must be how garages are meeting their "failure target".
Simple to fail then "adjust".
JC
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dhutch
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 12:50 PM |
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Fields due into for an MOT, hopefully not adding to the stats too much!
Daniel
[Edited on 9/6/2011 by dhutch]
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 02:03 PM |
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Think how many kwik-fit places do MOT's too and find faults with brakes and suspension that don't exist.... I once had kwik-fit tell me,
while fitting a tyre, that my pads needed replacement soon - there was about 8mm left as they'd only been on 1000 miles. For every genuine
garage I've experienced 3 or 4 who either failed on stupid reasons "RHF sidelight bulb was different colour to RHL, both bulbs replaced
and re-tested". Failure on stuck rear brake load balancing valve which, when load was added to the rear and removed (i.e. I got in and got out)
freed up and moved fine.
Unless I'm forced I'll never take my car to a garage that does repair work anymore - seen too many instances of people making their own
wage.
Incidentally I presented my local garage with my car and said "it needs 2 new tyres due to pothole damage from the other day, can you swap them
and then test it, the tyres are in the boot". He said "fine, I'll pop them on". I check back later and find a fail
certificate, reasons -> tyres, then a pass after the tyres were changed.
Does make you wonder.
[Edited on 8/6/11 by coyoteboy]
[Edited on 8/6/11 by coyoteboy]
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adithorp
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 03:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
Incidentally I presented my local garage with my car and said "it needs 2 new tyres due to pothole damage from the other day, can you swap them
and then test it, the tyres are in the boot". He said "fine, I'll pop them on". I check back later and find a fail
certificate, reasons -> tyres, then a pass after the tyres were changed.
Does make you wonder.
[Edited on 8/6/11 by coyoteboy]
[Edited on 8/6/11 by coyoteboy]
There's a couple of reasonable explanations for that...
VOSA check his fail stats against national averages and when they come to visit give him the third degree over any difference. If he does a lot of
trade tests for othe garages that pre-check and repair then he'll be low on fails. Your car gave him the opertunity to help his numbers and save
some grief with VOSA.
Also if he had a gap to test your car before he had time to change the tyres then its better for him to test first. He won't pass it with the
bad tyres, as VOSA could walk in (they sit around the corner watching his test log-on/off via lap-top) and ask to check your car. If he'd passed
it he'd be in doodah. So he does a fail, changes tyres later when convienient and then passes it. The retest is just a check of the failed item
so takes no time.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 04:51 PM |
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He could have just as easily changed them, then got onto the machine and failed it on tyres, then passed the retest.
I wonder how many people there are like me who took it in with no brakes and "could you check them over see what's wrong with them?"
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macc man
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 06:22 PM |
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I had a recent experience with a local firm who fitted 4 new tyres. They advised me the tracking was way out of line. Trouble was I had only had it
adjusted that week. Clearly a chance to extort more money from me. Got it rechecked and all was fine.
Needless to say I will not be going back again.
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Kwik
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| posted on 8/6/11 at 07:54 PM |
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iv had an opposite experience.
the tyre place i go to is £20 a corner (for the tyre) then a little bit of labour per corner. for me it came to about £35 per corner but they had to
clean the rims with a grinder, as they were completely rotten.
then today i took it to a 1 man garage type place tucked away in an industrial estate, great guy, very helpful, and done a very good job for not a lot
of money...
i told him my limit was £150, got a phone call (during a tennis match:/) and then was told he only charged £42, he obviously didnt make up excusses
and tried getting £150, and even cleaned the car, which i thought was a bit odd...
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dhutch
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| posted on 9/6/11 at 07:31 AM |
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Well the field failed, to even get onto the brake rollers. And couldnt therefore get to the ramp which is past them (no cover boards) so im off else
where! They do look quiet wide spaced rollers, and it does sometimes have issues getting onto ramps, but never rollers before.
Daniel
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adithorp
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| posted on 9/6/11 at 08:34 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by macc man
I had a recent experience with a local firm who fitted 4 new tyres. They advised me the tracking was way out of line. Trouble was I had only had it
adjusted that week. Clearly a chance to extort more money from me. Got it rechecked and all was fine.
Needless to say I will not be going back again.
Unless you told them that it'd just been adjusted they'd be going on the evidence of the worn tyres. So to be fair it probably did look
likethere was a problem with the alignment. The alternative is they say nothing, you wear out the new tyres and come back complaining that they
didn't tell you it needed tracking...
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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coyoteboy
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| posted on 9/6/11 at 10:09 AM |
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quote:
There's a couple of reasonable explanations for that... VOSA check his fail stats against national averages and when they come to visit give
him the third degree over any difference. If he does a lot of trade tests for othe garages that pre-check and repair then he'll be low on fails.
Your car gave him the opertunity to help his numbers and save some grief with VOSA. Also if he had a gap to test your car before he had time to
change the tyres then its better for him to test first. He won't pass it with the bad tyres, as VOSA could walk in (they sit around the corner
watching his test log-on/off via lap-top) and ask to check your car. If he'd passed it he'd be in doodah. So he does a fail, changes tyres
later when convienient and then passes it. The retest is just a check of the failed item so takes no time.
Oh yeah, I'm aware of the two likely causes, just seems utterly daft, even more daft that there should be expected failure rates. Same garage
has failed me on lots of small randoms and then charged me for bulbs here and wiper blades there despite me being perfectly confident of them before I
take them in - I can't argue it and it only adds a few quid, but it's my few quid. He does have a string of Mercs sat outside daily, so I
presume he does work for the local merc dealership but that's not my problem and I don't expect to be failed on stuff that's
fine.
I keep going back because he has redeeming qualities, like being open late for me to get the car after work, so it's worth it over all!
He doesn't fail on some things he COULD be picky about (I had play in a rear suspension arm, not a lot but if he was being a fool he could have
claimed it was excessive).
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tony-devon
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| posted on 9/6/11 at 11:26 AM |
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recently they seem to be going mad with advisories in my area
wifes golf went in and came out with a list of advisories that was eye watering, 8 lines of advisories for tiny scuff/kerb marks on the alloys!!
advisories for corrosion, theres nothing there, its a 10 year old VW golf, they dont rot, when questioned he said he put that as he couldnt see the
area in question so was covering himself!!
heavy is good, heavy is reliable, and if it breaks, hit them with it
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adithorp
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| posted on 9/6/11 at 11:43 AM |
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Agree totaly that the jumping through hoops that the stations do for a quiet lift are daft. IMHO it's because before the computerisation of the
test paperwork, most of the things testers got into trouble with VOSA for were, wording on fail certs and security of the certificates. The computers
got rid of all that with pre-written fail reasons and the cert's are not a security issue as it has to be on the system. So now VOSA inspectors
are desperatly trying to prove they're still needed. I've seen one turn up with a printout of every test that had been done and quetion
them all... "Why did this only take 25mins?"... "I don't know, it was 3 months ago but I guess it was because it's a 3
year old Toyota with 3000miles on the clock"... "Hmmm, well what about this one?"...
As for bulbs... I checked a car this morning and the bulbs were all fine. It long list of other stuff some of which is borderline so I recommended to
the customer that we take it and see how much it failed on. That way we can fix the deffinate fails, and advisehim on the othe stuff (sob story, no
money, wife trouble, blah, blah!). So it fails on the stuff I expected and theres a list of other stuff... but no lights out. I drive it in the
workshop and get told the n/s brake light is out!
The stuff thats wrong... FAILS- Broken o/s/f spring (dong, dong with every turn of the wheel but never heard by the customer and "just do one
side" , o/s/r tyre 0mm tread , o/s track rod end excess play, and the ADVISES- front discs+pads low (less than 1000miles IMO) , n/s rack end
slight play, 2 other tyres just 2mm. And it needs a service!
All the advises are... "leave them for now, I can't afford them". So a car that none of us would be happy with (but will pass an
mOT) will be back on the road tonight.  but I'll put a bulb in!
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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