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clairetoo

posted on 11/7/11 at 07:50 PM Reply With Quote
The great car insurance swindle

Panarama , BBC 1 , on now.........anyone else watching ?





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mookaloid

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:10 PM Reply With Quote
no - what is the great swindle?





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clairetoo

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:18 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by mookaloid
no - what is the great swindle?

Fraudulent claims , and inflated personal injury claims.................did you know that last year they paid out more in `wiplash' and personal injury claims than they took in in premiums ? !

I got hit from behind (hard enough to write off my corsa , even though it still drivable) , and I had a ton of calls from these damn ambulance chasers.............. I could have made some money , but my problem is I am honest - I wasnt injured in any way , and I told them all to feck off and stop calling me

You think your insurance has gone up this year ? Well , it's gonna go up even more next year because of this sad `blame and compensation' culture we now live in .

Where do these people think the money for all their bogus injury claims comes from ?


And breath.......................rant over...................for now .





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RoadkillUK

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:19 PM Reply With Quote
I bet Bradford is mentioned





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blakep82

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:20 PM Reply With Quote
that they're over charging everyone?

when i first got my car, i was paying £380 a year, now 4 years later, £600... renewal next week... lol might need a word with them





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Ninehigh

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:20 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by mookaloid
no - what is the great swindle?


The amount you have to pay?
As in it would be cheaper for a new driver to buy a £500 car, not bother insuring it, pay the fine AND buy another £500 car when caught than pay for insurance.






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clairetoo

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:23 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by RoadkillUK
I bet Bradford is mentioned

Nope.........Birmingham is the fraud capital of the country...........





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clairetoo

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:25 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by blakep82
that they're over charging everyone?




Nope - that it is dead easy to con a doctor into signing you off with non-existent whiplash so you (and all your passengers) can claim thousands of pounds of compensation that you are supposedly entitled to .





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Ninehigh

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:31 PM Reply With Quote
So they didn't mention that the price of insurance is actually driving people to seriously consider bothering to bankrupt themselves? Just that people can make up fake injuries and the insurance companies are dumb enough to believe everyone?






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clairetoo

posted on 11/7/11 at 08:35 PM Reply With Quote
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So they didn't mention that the price of insurance is actually driving people to seriously consider bothering to bankrupt themselves? Just that people can make up fake injuries and the insurance companies are dumb enough to believe everyone?

Your kinda missing the point...................by about a mile

The reason for the hike in premiums is simply because they are paying out more that they are getting in............and a massive part of that is the dodgy personal injury claims..........where do you think the millions of pounds paid out for imaginary whiplash comes from ? Wake up people , its not free money





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Badger_McLetcher

posted on 11/7/11 at 09:35 PM Reply With Quote
As with a lot of things it seems the actions of the few are hurting everyone- in this case it's people defrauding insurance companies (injury claims, overcharging for repairs, etc) that are pushing up everyones premiums.





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plentywahalla

posted on 11/7/11 at 09:56 PM Reply With Quote
The programme only told half the story. Insurance companies waste millions through sheer incompetence and disfunctionality. A mate of mine had his car rear ended. The insurance co took 7 weeks to arrange to inspect the car, and write it off. Total payout £1,200. 7 weeks of Courtesy Car Rental £3,500! I know of another guy who had a courtesy car for 9 months while all the professionals argued the toss and pocketed their fees.

Only 27% of insurance company payouts go toward repairing cars. Fake personal injury claims is a big part of the remainder ... but its not all.

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Simon

posted on 11/7/11 at 10:30 PM Reply With Quote
And the best bit is that your "injury" details may have been sold by a copper/ambulance person or even the insurance co themselves!

ATB

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Steve Hignett

posted on 11/7/11 at 10:34 PM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Simon
And the best bit is that your "injury" details may have been sold by a copper/ambulance person or even the insurance co themselves!

ATB

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Sold, by a copper?

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mistergrumpy

posted on 11/7/11 at 10:57 PM Reply With Quote
NOTW springs to mind there
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welderman

posted on 12/7/11 at 07:32 AM Reply With Quote
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Originally posted by Steve Hignett
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
And the best bit is that your "injury" details may have been sold by a copper/ambulance person or even the insurance co themselves!

ATB

Simon


Sold, by a copper?


probably not





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hughpinder

posted on 12/7/11 at 08:34 AM Reply With Quote
The insurance scams do annoy me, but the companies are pretty crap at getting a good deal.
A few years back (about 10) my car broke down on the way to work. I didnt have my mobile with me, so walked a couple of hundred yards to a house and called the AA to come and get me. Got to the car and found it stood on some bricks with the alloys and wheels missing. Got the AA man to take me to work, phoned Peugeot for a price for the wheels, and tyres from my local motor factors, who collect the wheels, fit the tyres, pick me up, take me to the car, fit the wheels and tow me in - all in about £650 and sorted that day, before lunch. The tyres had been on the car 3 days. I phoned the insurers and gave them the details, and faxed the receipt for the tyres, and they agreed they would pay full cost as they were so new, and explained that I wanted it done quick as I have a 45mile round trip to work and i didnt get a hire car. They said it had to be checked by their approved agent, but it would be quick. After a week, the car was still sat half blocking the road where it had broken down. After much calling and being fobbed off, 6 weeks later they called to say the car was ready and would be dropped at work that day. I went to the car park, and the guy offloaded the car (still has a failed head gasket at this point). He then gives me a bill for £700 which he says I have to pay before he'll give me the keys. What for? I asked. "You have to pay half the cost of the new tyres mate" he replies. At this point I tell him to take the car away (not my exact words I have to admit) then as I'm not paying and just walk back into work and call the insurers and yell a lot down the phone. Another 2 weeks pass and I eventually get the car back without paying. Strangely the garage was not on the approved garages list afterwards. He'd billed the insurance company 2K and tried to get £700 out of me as well. He put the alloys down at £300 each when they were £65 inc VAT from the main stealer!

Oh well, its only money
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scootz

posted on 12/7/11 at 09:09 AM Reply With Quote
It's the insurance co that sells the info to the ambo chasers!

Speaking of ambo's... anyone watch Sirens on Ch4? First time I've been mildly amused by anything on the telly for a while!





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cliftyhanger

posted on 12/7/11 at 09:34 AM Reply With Quote
Would agree about the comapanies faffing far too much. When I was hit and claimed from the hitters comapny, I managed to bash out a deal very fast ONCE I got to the claims handler. He just wasted the quotes verbally, I offered to use my other car rather than a hire car, he agreed to send me a cheque. Job done, no legal fees, faffing or whatever. Shame it took several attempts to speak to a proper person. I suspect the deal I got saved them a fortune. Both parties happy.
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craig1410

posted on 12/7/11 at 10:56 AM Reply With Quote
I wonder if there is a market for an opt out when buying insurance. Something along the lines of:

"I agree not to claim for personal injury which cannot be independently verified by a medical doctor."

If you tick this box then your insurance risk could be reduced significantly and if you choose not to tick this box then you can pay even more for that privilege. I for one would be more than happy to tick that box if it reduced my premiums by a significant amount.

Obviously this would require some reciprocation on the part of the insurance companies because if I have ticked that box and have an accident with someone who hasn't ticked that box then my insurance company could still incur personal accident costs but if the insurance companies were to work together on this I'm sure it would all even out.

Another option would be to make "personal accident cover" a completely optional extra just like legal cover, windscreen cover, hire car, courtesy car etc etc.

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JoelP

posted on 12/7/11 at 09:29 PM Reply With Quote
my mate had the same story about a hire car for 6 months over a claim for a 1997 vectra worth £600 - the other driver had been charged with jumping a red light amd they still wouldnt cough up.

That said, ive only claimed once, and it was nice and easy. We did have (and still do) have scum texting us about nonexistant personal injury. I think that they were quite please when i told them i only wanted my excess, a new infant seat, and one single week of hire car (even though it was 3 weeks til i coughed up to buy a new one).






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