brookie
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| posted on 28/9/11 at 07:35 PM |
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mondeo duel mass flywheel
has above has any body replaced there duelmass flywheel with a solid one
it seem to make the cluch kit alot cheaper and my just gone
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noc231073
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| posted on 28/9/11 at 07:43 PM |
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yes its done all the time ...the same clutch is in the transit .. just make sure you order the right kit they are widely available.
if your clutch is gone more than likely the fly wheel is knacker also as its a common problem
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fazerruss
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| posted on 28/9/11 at 07:47 PM |
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Is it a TDCI ?
My brother tried it on a 08 corsa cdti it worked alright but made the engine sound like a tractor or should i say an older non common rail diesel
engine.
I think the only reason they are on modern diesels now is to make them sound better.
"if assholes could fly this place would be an airport"
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britishtrident
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| posted on 28/9/11 at 07:57 PM |
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If you find debris on the starter drive the flywheel is about to become history.
Also the maximum allowable amount of free movement allowed in the flywheel is ISTR 25mm/1 inch with no excess looseness or clicks or crunching
noises.
Personally if a 4 in 1 solid flywheel kit is available I would skip the checks and fit a 4 in 1 clutch kit.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 28/9/11 at 10:06 PM |
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IIRC, Valeo started manufacturing direct replacement solid flywheel kits some time ago.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 28/9/11 at 10:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fazerruss
I think the only reason they are on modern diesels now is to make them sound better.
They are there to allow for more torque to be put through the clutch by 'mr Averagecar driver' so that the torque is taken by the fly
wheel (large diameter) in stead of the friction plate (small diameter). giving a smoother and quieter drive engagement and take up.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 06:55 AM |
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They really two purposes they act as a torsional vibration damper and as a drive line shock absorber to even out the torque fluctuations created
by each firing stroke. By evening out the torque fluctions a DMF allows manufacturers to getaway with using a lower torque rated gearbox and
drive shafts.
In modern diesels they can just about be justified but when used in petrol engines they are just an added complication.
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adithorp
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 07:06 AM |
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If going to a solid flywheel, bare in mind that there's been reports of Mondeos breaking the crank due to the lack of damping. Ensuring a damper
front pulley is fitted is recommended to try and reduce this. Not actually seen one do it, but it's been reported in the 'trade press.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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hughpinder
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 07:10 AM |
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Don't quote me on this but I'm fairly sure I've heard of problems with crankshaft damage if you don't have the dual mass
thingy to absorb some of the shock load from modern torqey engines. I don't know if its common or just possible though
Regards
Hugh
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froggy
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 07:14 AM |
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It amazes me how long people keep driving on a knacked DMf . I did a vectra last week that was so bad I had to cut the centre out to get at the
flywheel bolts . Shop around as there are some good deals from the factors , euro car parts seem to be keenest on price at the moment .
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steve m
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 08:54 AM |
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How do you know when DMF is going or even gone?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 09:05 AM |
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They usually start rattling, especially at idle.
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steve m
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 09:09 AM |
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My TDCI Mondeo has always been a noiser engine, compared to a friends Focus, wthe exactley the same TDCI
does that mean my woes will start soon .....................
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907
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 09:30 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
How do you know when DMF is going or even gone?
My Passat 1.9 TDI had a distinct rattle when turning the ignition off from tick over.
Also, when pulling away from standstill in 1st gear it was difficult not to get clutch judder.
A new DMF transformed the car.
I think that they deteriorate so slowly that you tend not to notice.
Paul G
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adithorp
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 10:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by steve m
How do you know when DMF is going or even gone?
To be certain you have to measure the play in it but... You'll hear anything from a slight rattle to a low rumble in neutral, that will often
alter with pressing the clutch and you may get clutch judder setting off. I've seen quite a few rattle for years without further problem but the
rumble is usually terminal. As said by BT on the Ford TDi you'll also get fillings in the starter often causing falure of it (lots of suppliers
won't warrenty replacment starters on them because of this).
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 10:47 AM |
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Other thing to check when doing the job is the condition of the big bush on the lower engine tie bar --- an expensive part but you can rebush
them using a Peugeot diesel engine mount bush which costs about £10 and is slightly stiffer but you need to enlarge the hole to 12mm and pack the
width with washers.
(How i know this is the Mondeo lower engine tie bar also fits the Rover 75s which is handy as the lower engine tie bars for diesel 75s are like
gold dust.)
[Edited on 29/9/11 by britishtrident]
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britishtrident
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 11:01 AM |
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The service limit angular free movement on a DMF is surprisingly high I have seen some web pages quoting 50mm/2" as acceptable I have
even heard tales of new flywheels with 50mm movement.
The new clutch will probably be a type with springs in the centre hub these last longer than the original LUK solid design which tended to suffer
from fatigue failures and the springs help absorb any shock loads to the DMF.
The motor factor may offfer you a "National" brand at a keen price I have found these OK and prefer to LUK.
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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dave r
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 05:05 PM |
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i have a dmf sitting in my garage..... available if you want it
I'd love to give my imaginary friend a great big hug,
but this jacket makes it impossible.
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brookie
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 06:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fazerruss
Is it a TDCI ?
My brother tried it on a 08 corsa cdti it worked alright but made the engine sound like a tractor or should i say an older non common rail diesel
engine.
I think the only reason they are on modern diesels now is to make them sound better.
yes it is m8 it the 2.2 tdci st 6 speed
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brookie
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 07:00 PM |
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this is the part im looking at
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace
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snakebelly
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| posted on 29/9/11 at 07:49 PM |
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Fitted a kit from that seller to my 03 tdci estate approx 25k ago no noticeable noise increase clutch feels fine and as an aside ford now do a
sanctioned single mass replacement for some transits so I take that as the green light.
Hth
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