morcus
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 04:05 AM |
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Is a Heavilly modified car still legally the same car after an IVA?
Something that I've been thinking about these past few days and it's not exactly important but the more I think about it the more
I'd like to know the answer.
Basically I was reading some stuff about a man who's building a mid engined Saxo that looks amazing, the sort of Group B homage I dream of
building if I had the time, money, skill, space and all the rest. When something like that is Iva'd how would it show up on the V5. Would it
still be a Saxo?
Any ideas?
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 04:55 AM |
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I suppose.. I guess the IVA would be an official way to change details like engine size and number of seats
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snapper
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 05:23 AM |
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On a seriously modified road car it's mostly about the chassis/ body.
Your not even supposed to cut out the bulkhead and gearbox tunnel know days without needing an IVA.
If IVA agrees its a highly modified car retaining most of the running gear and importantly the body/chassis then you retain chassis number and
therefore registration.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 07:27 AM |
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99.9% of heavily modded cars like that will never be iva'd anyway, even if they should be.
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owelly
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 07:58 AM |
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Wouldn't it become a 'Radically Altered Vehicle'? That would require an inspection but retain the ID of the original shell? Or did I
dream that?
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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owelly
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 08:00 AM |
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Aha....
http://m.direct.gov.uk/syndicationController?action=view¶m=DG_191068&utn=883e744e50c04258bb6a201201230758
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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T66
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 08:02 AM |
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So with my Fiat - Does that mean its a Retropower Special or a Fiat 126.
Im expecting a Q plate , but it could be any bodyshell on my chassis, but will it assume the Fiat tag, I wonder
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russbost
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 08:17 AM |
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Owelly,
That link seems to take you round in circles - typical bit of Government practice I guess!
But unless I'm missing something it still states that unless you have the original "UNALTERED" chassis you've still got to
score 8 points or more on their system
What points are given to what parts
Points are only given to the original major components used and are shown in the table below.
Chassis or monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) (original or new*)
5 points
Suspension (front and back)
2 points
Axles (both)
2 points
Transmission
2 points
Steering assembly
2 points
Engine
1 points
Chassis or monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) (original or new*)
5 points
Suspension (front and back)
2 points
Axles (both)
2 points
Transmission
2 points
Steering assembly
2 points
Engine
1 points
*Direct replacement from the manufacturers
I can't see any way you can ever score 8 points on the system if you've modified the shell in any way that affects the monocoque
&where you're not retaining the original steering & suspension system - even then it would appear they want to give it a Q reg, which
really doesn't make sense because the age of the shell hasn't changed! Or were you intending to point us at a different bit of that
site???
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owelly
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 10:00 AM |
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I wasn't trying to point to anything that would help the O/P or to correlate with what I said. It was just to confirm that I hadn't dreamt
the Radically Alteted Vehicle thing. I defy anyone to navigate the direct.gov sites and not end up back at the Google search page, or the steps of a
hospital.
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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loggyboy
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 10:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
So with my Fiat - Does that mean its a Retropower Special or a Fiat 126.
Im expecting a Q plate , but it could be any bodyshell on my chassis, but will it assume the Fiat tag, I wonder
Doesnt it not have a reg already? If so why even bother if your happy with the quality of your work, just run it on its current reg with a engine
change notification to the DVLA.
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russbost
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 11:23 AM |
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"Doesnt it not have a reg already? If so why even bother if your happy with the quality of your work, just run it on its current reg with a
engine change notification to the DVLA."
I would be very, very wary of doing that, ok so if you've stretched the bulkhead a little to get a bigger gearbox in, most people would never
know (if it's been done properly), but if you're moving the engine to the opposite end of the vehicle & cutting large chunks of
monocoque out then sooner or later it's going to get picked up at MoT or whatever & at which point might be impounded!!
In the meantime you would probably be technically running without insurance even if you've notified the insurance co. of the mods as the vehicle
wouldn't be correctly registered in their eyes. All IMHO of course!
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 09:06 PM |
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surely if it's being iva'd it becomes whatever you wish to call it, beach buggies are a classic case, an uncut floorpan does not require
an iva, a cut floorpan becomes modified therefore requiring an iva
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britishtrident
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| posted on 23/1/12 at 09:40 PM |
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As above a change in the chassis that alters the wheelbase is a hot issue with VOSA because of over stretched limos.
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 24/1/12 at 01:55 PM |
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and this is what happens to your pride and joy if you don't get the rules right linky
dinky
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morcus
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| posted on 24/1/12 at 05:35 PM |
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That video is awesome.
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stevebubs
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| posted on 24/1/12 at 06:47 PM |
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Looks like 2 possible routes:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf
1) Radically altered vehicle
This covers vehicles which are radically altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions
If the vehicle has less than eight points, a second-hand or altered chassis, frame or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must have IVA, SVA or
MSVA, whichever is appropriate, so that it can be registered. A ‘Q’ registration number will then be issued
2) Kit Conversion
If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) is used with
two original major components from the donor vehicle, a replacement registration number will be issued based on the age of the donor vehicle. The
vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA. The date of manufacture for the vehicle will be taken from the IVA, SVA or MSVA certificate
Now the question is "What is the definition of a kit conversion?"
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