russbost
|
| posted on 8/2/26 at 03:41 PM |
|
|
Reduce car tax for 20 - 39 year old cars
Worth getting behind this, makes a lot of economic & carbon footprint sense
Link to petition
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
|
|
Sanzomat
|
| posted on 8/2/26 at 04:59 PM |
|
|
I saw that petition too and I did sign it but then checked how many cars there are currently on the road that are 20-39 years old. It is now circa 1.5
million. For that many, if the saving per car is say £150 the loss of revenue would be £225m so unlikely to get passed! Apparently the number of cars
over 20 years old has gone up from <0.5m since 2014. It seems cars are lasting longer these days but I guess small turbo engines and wet belts will
reverse that trend!
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 8/2/26 at 07:11 PM |
|
|
Yeah, but I think that no. will fall drastically come this April when anything with a decent size engine that's a few years old is gonna be
paying £760!!! That includes stuff like the Audi TT 1.8 turbo, Mondeo V6, Subaru Forester, Jag 2,0, Mondeo V6, Zafira - the se are old, workhorse
vehicles, they're not exactly Ferraris are they!
How many people will continue running a car worth less than a grand when the road fund licence is £760 - it's absolutely ridiculous -
particularly when the money goes nowhere near our roads, but just disappears into government black holes ...........
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
nick205
|
| posted on 9/2/26 at 02:22 PM |
|
|
@russbost - Money going nowhere near our roads.
National Highways are currently spending something like £290m re-designing the M3 j9.
However the wheel eating potholes on the surrounding roads are as bad as ever.
[Edited on 9-2-26 by nick205]
|
|
|
Slimy38
|
| posted on 9/2/26 at 04:33 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Yeah, but I think that no. will fall drastically come this April when anything with a decent size engine that's a few years old is gonna be
paying £760!!! That includes stuff like the Audi TT 1.8 turbo, Mondeo V6, Subaru Forester, Jag 2,0, Mondeo V6, Zafira - the se are old, workhorse
vehicles, they're not exactly Ferraris are they!
I don't understand this fearmongering. I've seen all the articles, and yes it's going to be £760 which is an extortionate amount. The
same tax band was £730 last year. It's not like they're suddenly paying a lot more for the same car, it's a pretty standard
year-on-year increase.
There is a footnote on the VED table 'Includes cars emitting over 225g/km registered before 23 March 2006'. That keeps many of these cars in
band K which is a slightly better £400 ish a year. I can't find any evidence to suggest that is going to change?
As for the reduced tax, it would be nice but encouraging older cars to stay on the roads doesn't line the politicans pockets with new car sales
kickbacks. Everything they do with regards to transport has been to keep the industry going, even if it's under a thin-veiled attempt to
'reduce pollution' and 'save the environment'.
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 9/2/26 at 05:48 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Slimy38
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Yeah, but I think that no. will fall drastically come this April when anything with a decent size engine that's a few years old is gonna be
paying £760!!! That includes stuff like the Audi TT 1.8 turbo, Mondeo V6, Subaru Forester, Jag 2,0, Mondeo V6, Zafira - the se are old, workhorse
vehicles, they're not exactly Ferraris are they!
I don't understand this fearmongering. I've seen all the articles, and yes it's going to be £760 which is an extortionate amount. The
same tax band was £730 last year. It's not like they're suddenly paying a lot more for the same car, it's a pretty standard
year-on-year increase.
There is a footnote on the VED table 'Includes cars emitting over 225g/km registered before 23 March 2006'. That keeps many of these cars in
band K which is a slightly better £400 ish a year. I can't find any evidence to suggest that is going to change?
As for the reduced tax, it would be nice but encouraging older cars to stay on the roads doesn't line the politicans pockets with new car sales
kickbacks. Everything they do with regards to transport has been to keep the industry going, even if it's under a thin-veiled attempt to
'reduce pollution' and 'save the environment'.
My understanding is that 2001 - 2006 cars where tax is based on emissions, USED to be capped at bank K which I think was about £430, high, but not
absolutely eye watering - removing the cap means some vehicles jump by over £300 a year up to the £760 figure - who's gonna pay getting on for
£800 in road tax on a car worth less than a grand - makes no sense
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
Mr Whippy
|
| posted on 13/2/26 at 07:20 PM |
|
|
Since when does a cars worth depend on what it's road tax is? I've had cars I paid £125 for, one I even swapped for an old model RC plane
and they still saved me a heap on money over the years.
So lets buy a new car instead to save on that roadtax, but remember to take account of the spectacular deprecation it's going to have (probably a
5 figure sum) or killer finance traps that are nuking most peoples incomes, which they can't even get out of as they have so much negative
equity.
Really that £760 seems like a huge bargain if you own the thing outright. My old diesel is £350 a year, double it I couldn't give a crap as I
don't owe any money on it, can service it myself, have low insurance (£120) and cos it's an old car it will only go up in value now as they
become rarer.
|
|
|
russbost
|
| posted on 14/2/26 at 10:48 AM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Since when does a cars worth depend on what it's road tax is? I've had cars I paid £125 for, one I even swapped for an old model RC plane
and they still saved me a heap on money over the years.
So lets buy a new car instead to save on that roadtax, but remember to take account of the spectacular deprecation it's going to have (probably a
5 figure sum) or killer finance traps that are nuking most peoples incomes, which they can't even get out of as they have so much negative
equity.
Really that £760 seems like a huge bargain if you own the thing outright. My old diesel is £350 a year, double it I couldn't give a crap as I
don't owe any money on it, can service it myself, have low insurance (£120) and cos it's an old car it will only go up in value now as they
become rarer.
Yeah, I sort of see where you're coming from, but I think you're missing the point that many peeps just don't look at the overall
picture, they look at monthly spend & they say, I"can't afford £760 for car tax, but I can afford a £200 a month contract on a newer
car" - completely missing the point that they could have paid that road tax monthly - people really aren't very good at financial planning
...........
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
|
NOTE:This user is registered as a LocostBuilders trader and may offer commercial services to other users
|
Twobeers
|
| posted on 14/2/26 at 07:18 PM |
|
|
It's a completely ridiculous situation having let our law makers tinker with the road fund license to try and influence buying habits etc.
There is absolutely no justification for charging some drivers £700 plus and others nothing because they've bought an electric. I should not be
be subsidising other drivers' choices. It should be a straight annual fee. As with so many things successive governments have opened the door to
allow a system to be abused beyond all recognition.
|
|
|
Mr Whippy
|
| posted on 14/2/26 at 07:49 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by russbost
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Since when does a cars worth depend on what it's road tax is? I've had cars I paid £125 for, one I even swapped for an old model RC plane
and they still saved me a heap on money over the years.
So lets buy a new car instead to save on that roadtax, but remember to take account of the spectacular deprecation it's going to have (probably a
5 figure sum) or killer finance traps that are nuking most peoples incomes, which they can't even get out of as they have so much negative
equity.
Really that £760 seems like a huge bargain if you own the thing outright. My old diesel is £350 a year, double it I couldn't give a crap as I
don't owe any money on it, can service it myself, have low insurance (£120) and cos it's an old car it will only go up in value now as they
become rarer.
Yeah, I sort of see where you're coming from, but I think you're missing the point that many peeps just don't look at the overall
picture, they look at monthly spend & they say, I"can't afford £760 for car tax, but I can afford a £200 a month contract on a newer
car" - completely missing the point that they could have paid that road tax monthly - people really aren't very good at financial planning
...........
Yeah, my point is their missing the point in exactly the way you suggest.
|
|
|
Mr Whippy
|
| posted on 14/2/26 at 08:02 PM |
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Twobeers
It's a completely ridiculous situation having let our law makers tinker with the road fund license to try and influence buying habits etc.
There is absolutely no justification for charging some drivers £700 plus and others nothing because they've bought an electric. I should not be
be subsidising other drivers' choices. It should be a straight annual fee. As with so many things successive governments have opened the door to
allow a system to be abused beyond all recognition.
Yeah well we all know why this is actually happening and it has little to do with the environment, us driving old cars hurts manufacturers profits so
they push politicians to save them -
"There was one scrappage scheme in the UK in 2009, designed to help the motor industry through the recession which followed the financial crash.
It essentially gave vehicle owners £2,000 (co-funded by the Government and the car industry) if they scrapped their old vehicle and bought a new
one"
|
|
|
