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MotaLeira R1 wiring questions
nitram38 - 29/1/09 at 03:50 PM

Only a couple of quick questions.
I started wiring the car today. Most of the runs are done.
Q1. I have an 18" fan for my rad and the R1 fuse is 15A. Is this enough, or will I have to use a relay?
Q2. Is there an output on the ecu where I can pick up a tach wire? Should I just use one off a coil?
I need a tach reading for my veypor dash and my gear indicator.
Cheers Martin


adithorp - 29/1/09 at 04:11 PM

I'm running a 12" fan on the standard fuse and wiring. (don't know if that helps).

Adrian


cloudy - 29/1/09 at 05:31 PM

7.5 or 10A for mine (high power 8" ) so 15 should be about right. Isn't 18" overkill? mine brings the temps down to the fan off point in about 10-15seconds with a high idle!

James

[Edited on 29/1/09 by cloudy]


nitram38 - 29/1/09 at 05:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by cloudy
7.5 or 10A for mine (high power 8" ) so 15 should be about right. Isn't 18" overkill? mine brings the temps down to the fan off point in about 10-15seconds with a high idle!

James

[Edited on 29/1/09 by cloudy]


It may be smaller, I am just to knackered to go measure it!


cloudy - 29/1/09 at 05:41 PM

ps you sure you can't aim for SVA? sounds like you are just behind me and i'm aiming for end of feb - put it this way SVA + retest, far cheaper than IVA....

[Edited on 29/1/09 by cloudy]


nitram38 - 29/1/09 at 05:49 PM

I know but I have quite a bit to do and I work 84 hour weeks.
I also have a pending practical 2391 testing and inspection exam coming up so I must not forget how I make my money to build the car!


tks - 29/1/09 at 07:01 PM

often there is an tach wire from the cpu which goes to the tachometer on the dash..

manytimes that wire is useable.

if it isn't you van always suply a coul ground side wire but its a far worse signal.


Paul (Notts) - 29/1/09 at 07:05 PM

I run my vepor2 dash from the coil ..only reason, because it was simple and worked even when I switched to megajolt and twin coils.

Paul


nitram38 - 31/1/09 at 03:44 PM

Right, I have decided to run the tach to the coil as I don't know the pin-outs for the ecu (unless anyone has them?).
I am planning my immobiliser but I have a question regarding the transponder loop and paperwork.
It will be behind an aluminium panel so will it still pick up the tag which will be the other side?
Is there anyone who could sign off the installer paperwork for me?


Meeerrrk - 31/1/09 at 03:55 PM

there should be a tacho feed to the original clocks, do you not have a wiring diagram?


nitram38 - 31/1/09 at 03:59 PM

I do have the wiring diagram, but the wires just start and end in a square block without any indication of what they do.


Meeerrrk - 31/1/09 at 04:02 PM

LOL thats not a very helpful wiring diagram. What engine is it, i may be able to help

Mark


nitram38 - 31/1/09 at 04:06 PM

2005 R1 inj.

I do have a suspicion that it is one of the yellow with black trace cables that I removed from the connection to the dash plug when I stripped out the bike loom. I have not cut any of these wires incase I need them. I am running a veypor dash. I still have the exup cables, although I will probably remove those later.


Meeerrrk - 31/1/09 at 04:09 PM

ok gimmie a sec i will just have a quick look at something i have


Meeerrrk - 31/1/09 at 04:15 PM

ok, from the document i have, it says tacho on yamaha is yellow/black & here is a bit of info if you are still unsure, to help confirm :

Finding Tacho Signal
To verify a wire is connected to the tacho signal, you need to measure the frequency
(Hz) with a multimeter. Set the multimeter to frequency, put the multimeter’s black
lead on the negative battery terminal and the multimeter’s red lead on the tacho wire. With ignition on and the engine running, the frequency should vary
with RPM. Some multimeters may have trouble reading the tacho signal.



[Edited on 31/1/09 by Meeerrrk]


nitram38 - 31/1/09 at 04:17 PM

Cheers for that.
There are two yellow with black trace wires but maybe they do the same thing.
Like you said, I will check them first.


nitram38 - 31/1/09 at 05:55 PM

Cheers Chris.


adithorp - 31/1/09 at 08:34 PM

My immobiliser transponder loop is behind an ally' panel and works fine.

u2u sent.

adrian


nitram38 - 31/1/09 at 08:53 PM

quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
My immobiliser transponder loop is behind an ally' panel and works fine.

u2u sent.

adrian


I'm no slouch when it comes to wiring it is just that I like to do things right first time!
I hate having to butcher stuff that does not work.
It is all of these niggly questions that arise once I get started


nitram38 - 1/2/09 at 09:55 AM

I have soldered the "stop" wires together and I am using a start switch for the starter.
I have an FIA switch to cut the battery (except hazards) and I intend to use the secondary switch on the Fia switch to turn off the ignition and so cut the engine.
The fia switch only has one pair of NO and NC contacts so I have a problem switching the ignition off as I can only switch off one ignition pair.
I am planning to use the immobiliser to cut three circuits. Two of them being the ignition circuits and the other the starter circuit.
If I use this method, will simply cutting the ignition supply to the immobiliser, activate it and kill the ignition?
I don't want the engine to run on!


adithorp - 1/2/09 at 04:57 PM

You only need to switch the main ignition circuit on your cut-switch. The secondary circuit can be perminently connected or switched through the immobiliser.

The immobilisers don't normally arm untill 30 or so seconds after the power switches off and require a perminent feed to operate. That might be a problem with the way your doing yours.


nitram38 - 1/2/09 at 05:59 PM

You are talking about the red and brown/blue wires as the main ignition?
I was intending to break just one pair with the fia switch aux but wire both ignition pairs through the immobiliser as well.
I was worried that both pairs of wires had to be broken at the same time.


adithorp - 1/2/09 at 07:02 PM

Yes, do it as you intended. Thats how mine is, altough the main switch is through a dash ignition key switch not like your fia one. Red and brown through the switch as thats the main ignition circuit. The blue/black and blue/yellow wires can connect through the immobiliser (they power the start logic circuit).

adrian


nitram38 - 1/2/09 at 07:59 PM

Excellant!