wildchild
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 10:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I think that there are many factors that make drivers stuff their cars into the scenery - here's my little list of possibilities:
1. Inappropriate wheels and/or tyres.
2. Wrong tyre pressures / suspension settings.
3. Inexperience with:
3a. RWD cars.
3b. Very high power-to-weight ratios.
3c. Seven-style handling (i.e. their tendency to bite if abused)
4. Over-exuberance.
5. Recklessness/Stupidity.
6. Bad decisions made in poor driving conditions.
7. Sheer bad luck.
In most accidents I've seen reported here, a selection of these factors played some part in the accident.
Just my 2p's worth.
David
[Edited on 11/5/06 by David Jenkins]
Just to add a few:
- Someone spilt diesel/mud/anything else all over the road.
- Someone coming the other way went for a stupid overtaking move and forced him off the road.
- Someone pulled out on him
- The driver was asleep
- Jesus appeared to him in a vision and he was so distracted he drove off the road.
Point I'm getting at is, I've been following this thread, and while it's been an interesting discussion (I'm going for 13s
btw), there's a lot of people on here presuming to know why this poor bugger fell off the road, when almost anything could have happened.
Me, I just hope he's alright and it hasn't done too much expensive damage.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 12/5/06 at 12:32 PM |
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Certainly I have presumed nothing - as I said before, I hope him and the car are OK.
You reminded me of another and very significant factor - outside influence. In other words, the car that pulls out on you, or the lorry with the
over-full fuel tank that dumps diesel on the road, and so on.
The reason I wrote what I did is that every year this forum gets a number of reports about people who've had a crash. Many times (but not 100%)
it's a new car, or just bought.
David
[Edited on 12/5/06 by David Jenkins]
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wildchild
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 08:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Certainly I have presumed nothing - as I said before, I hope him and the car are OK.
[Edited on 12/5/06 by David Jenkins]
David,
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you fell into that category. I quoted your post because you were the only person who really
acknowledged accidents happened for all sorts of reasons.
With hindsight, probably should have worded it a bit better.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 08:15 AM |
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No worries!
Probably should have started a new thread to separate my theories from that chap's unfortunate accident.
Does anyone have any news on that accident? Is the driver OK, and is he going to repair the car? Nothing worse than breaking a new toy...
David
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Fozzie
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 08:47 AM |
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Wildchild, I agree, should have sent sympathies for both driver and car and indeed that the driver is indeed ok.
However, I did read all of the thread in the link that was posted on the first page of this thread before I replied.
One observer stated (In His Opinion) that the guy was driving at around double the speed of the 40mph limit, where upon he clipped the kerb. As he was
new to the car perhaps a tad irresponsible (if the 'reporter' is indeed correct).
Over the 4 years I have been on this site we have had so many BEC's crash in exactly that manner, for the exact reasons. I apologise if my
manner was contrite, and concur with David that perhaps the 'reasons' may have been more suited to another thread.
Fozzie 
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 09:24 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
One observer stated (In His Opinion) that the guy was driving at around double the speed of the 40mph limit, where upon he clipped the kerb. As he was
new to the car perhaps a tad irresponsible (if the 'reporter' is indeed correct).
I hadn't spotted the speeding thing on the other site until you mentioned it - in other words:
c. Seven-style handling (i.e. their tendency to bite if abused)
4. Over-exuberance.
5. Recklessness/Stupidity.
6. Bad decisions made in poor driving conditions.
But as I didn't witness the event, I shall refrain from commenting...
David
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wildchild
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 09:50 AM |
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I missed the link to the other forum first time round, so if there's something on there that backs up the theories in this thread, then
that's my bad. It just looked to me like the whole tyre thing had appeared out of nowhere.
I haven't got time to read it now so I'll just assume I'm wrong and shut up!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 09:56 AM |
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Don't worry about it... 
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Fozzie
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 10:23 AM |
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My original reply was to Syd, wholeheartedly agreeing with his post regarding to wheels/tyres, as 'some' of the accidents (IMHO) could be
attributed to wrong wheels/tyres/set-up, maybe making the cars, when getting skittish, uncontrollable, whereas using the correct wheel/tyre/setup, the
situation may have been redeemed without incident.
Fozzie
nuff said!
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Pants On Fire
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 03:57 PM |
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Just been pointed at this thread. Well yes that was me, yes first day out in it, 4 hours driving it to be exact.
I'm fine no ill effects whatsoever thanks for asking.
Car needs a couple of wishbones, a rear upright, 2 rear arches and a rear panel.
Now then let me address the speed issue raised by the so called 'oserver' on the other site.
London Road is a 40 limit, a road I know very well, the Thames Valley Police report that's sat on my desk from the traffic patrol officers who
came out to measure up states estimated speed was 35-40 Mph. The 'observer' put me at 80.
I'd love to meet the 'observer' again especially as the 'observer' didn't offer him/herself as a witness at the
time, how very helpful of you.
[Edited on 15/5/06 by Pants On Fire]
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flak monkey
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 04:00 PM |
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Glad you are OK. Sounds like an easy mend, and possibly an excuse to change any parts of the car you arent happy with at the moment.
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Marcus
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 04:03 PM |
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Pleased to hear you're ok, must be gutted though!
What actually caused the accident then? (if you don't mind me asking)
A lot of people are too quick to judge before the facts arise. It's just as easy to have a 'spill' at 40 as 80, if theres outside
influence.
Marcus
Marcus
Because kits are for girls!!
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Pants On Fire
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 04:18 PM |
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As much as I'm trying to forget it all here goes......
First stretch of dual carriageway on the A4 between Slough & Reading.
Captain Sensible here pulls across to the left to let a car by having just negotiated a roundabout, a Golf I think, I pull too far across to the left
and clip the kerb, over react on the steering wheel car starts to go right potentially into other lane, caught it, then goes left and up the kerb we
go.
Went through 20 yards of undergrowth, missing a lampost by a foot and came to rest.
My fault entirely, still haven't told Martin the builder yet, so if anyone knows him let me do it please!
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 04:23 PM |
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Originally posted by Jon Ison
Thats pants, as it looks like he's ok i just hope its an easy fix, bodywork and maybe a few suspension bits.
Been there I'm afraid, not a nice feeling but cars can be re built.
Will refer you back too my only post on the subject, lets hope you get back on the road soon, been there M8, not a nice feeling.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 15/5/06 at 05:48 PM |
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I think that comes into the 'sheer bad luck' category, with a little bit of inexperience with the car. Could happen to just about
anybody.
Get it fixed, take a deep breath, and get out on the road again!
David
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muzchap
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| posted on 16/5/06 at 04:59 PM |
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Yeah unlucky ! 
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owelly
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| posted on 18/5/06 at 01:28 AM |
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Bad luck Mr Pof. Time to get the spanners/chque book out. Glad to hear you are OK and can you let us know when it's OK to make jokes about the
whole incident. I don't want to offend anyone........
http://www.ppcmag.co.uk
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