But I'm not an expert so please let us know how you get on
Im hopefully getting a landy soon so i can start my mobile servicing business.
To reduce costs, i have been looking into running the (deisel) engine on the used oil i remove from my customers cars.
My plan so far is to insert a thermoswitch, somewhere in the engine so i can start the engine on deisel and when the engine reaches a certain temp,
the landy will automatically switch to the engine oil. This should help the thinning of the oil
What i am struggling to get info on is how to clean the engine oil before it goes in the tank and also how to thin the oil in the tank.
Any ideas?
look and see what biodiesel production filters are avaliable.
would think the process is similar.
sounds scary to me - if you clog up a diesel pump it will cost many more ££££££'s to put right than you will ever save by not buying the odd
gallon of diesel.
But I'm not an expert so please let us know how you get on
A centrifuge would do it! Or one of those 'micro-spin' filters. I think there's a similar thing fitted to some Landys/Rangeys to extend
the service life of the oil.
Will it not smoke like a smoking thing?
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Originally posted by owelly
A centrifuge would do it! Or one of those 'micro-spin' filters. I think there's a similar thing fitted to some Landys/Rangeys to extend the service life of the oil.
Will it not smoke like a smoking thing?
http://www.dieselproducts.com/spinclean/spinclean.html
People on this side of the pond are using old cooking oil from chip fryers, problem is every MacDonalds junkie will follow you around.
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Originally posted by Canada EH!
People on this side of the pond are using old cooking oil from chip fryers, problem is every MacDonalds junkie will follow you around.
not really a good idea to run an engine on used motor oil.
semi or fully synthetic is a big NO anyway, as the synthetics are not designed to burn. they will soon leave nasty deposits on valves etc. as for
mineral engine oil, it will be full of carbon and generally only good for a workshop heater.
what you want to do is possible, but as above, the cost of an injection pump exchange or refurb will always be more than youll ever save.
If you want to make biodiesel, the landy injection pumps work well off it. IF the biodiesel is made properly.
just my opinion...
edit: why do you need a landrover to service cars? surely an estate/van will do, a vauxhall 1.7td van does 40+mpg on dinosaur juice.
[Edited on 14/10/09 by dinosaurjuice]
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Originally posted by dinosaurjuice
not really a good idea to run an engine on used motor oil.
semi or fully synthetic is a big NO anyway, as the synthetics are not designed to burn. they will soon leave nasty deposits on valves etc. as for mineral engine oil, it will be full of carbon and generally only good for a workshop heater.
what you want to do is possible, but as above, the cost of an injection pump exchange or refurb will always be more than youll ever save.
If you want to make biodiesel, the landy injection pumps work well off it. IF the biodiesel is made properly.
just my opinion...
edit: why do you need a landrover to service cars? surely an estate/van will do, a vauxhall 1.7td van does 40+mpg on dinosaur juice.
[Edited on 14/10/09 by dinosaurjuice]
I know someone who has an oil burning workshop heater that uses all that engine oil left over from racing. That's probably the best use for it. If you want some used engine oil, I have plenty in my garage. One day I'm going to dispose of it at the local recycling depot (dump) but until then its taking up space.
Hmm... My 20TDi Landy pump rebuild cost me over £800.
Land Rover Main Stealer Prices:
Exchange £1500
New £2400
and that was about 8 years ago.
I would only use clean oil or Estrified Veg oil (Bio Diesel)
Think about all those little bits of ROCK HARD carbon in that oil. It will grind and score the pump. PLus the emissions and crap that would build up
in the engine.
I wouldnt do it.
I would rather run it on 28sec heating oil with some fresh oil chucked in for the pump and injector lube!
Mind you thats not legal, and the Customs & Excise are well aware of all these "dodges"
You need to register as a home fuel producer, then pay C&E the Road Fuel tax for the quantity of fuel you produce.
This is still a LOT cheaper than pump diesel and above all its legal.
A mates wife worked for C&E some years ago when we looked into it.
Its not hard to do, or to set up.
Its surprising the amount you can make as a home producer. Certainly more than you can use in a normal month.
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I agree best use in to heat the workshop with it.
See the Motherearth Oil Heaters, and in particular this one -
LINKY
[Edited on 14/10/2009 by wilkingj]
the rules on bio diesel are make up to 2500l a year and pay no tax
If you do look at using bio the general rule is Bosch pumps are great, Lucas pumps die quickly. Landy's can have either on them.
(i looked a going bio a while ago)
Boil it and sell it back to your customers as underseal (seriously), then buy proper diesel with the profit.
All RN minesweepers used boiled sump oit to protect the standing rigging from the salt water spray, worked brilliantly
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Originally posted by smart51
I know someone who has an oil burning workshop heater that uses all that engine oil left over from racing. That's probably the best use for it. If you want some used engine oil, I have plenty in my garage. One day I'm going to dispose of it at the local recycling depot (dump) but until then its taking up space.
I've had Landrovers for years and currently have a very modded Discovery.
I've never heard of a Landrover or anything else for that matter, running on engine oil, short of a worn engine running on it's own oil just
prior to self destructing.
Not saying it's not possible, I've just never heard of it and I'm a member of a few Landrover forums where it would have been
mentioned.
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Originally posted by Wheels244
I've never heard of a Landrover or anything else for that matter, running on engine oil, short of a worn engine running on it's own oil just prior to self destructing.
There is a vid on youtube of a deisel engine running on used oil.
Obviously for 'offroad' use only, but you can run a diesel on 28 sec kerosene (heating oil) as long as you add something to give it some
lubricity. I believe 5l 15/W40 per 205l barrel of heating oil(and stir well when added) works a treat.
Hugh
just had a long look at this site. Looks fairly easy, but the amount of kit you
need would take over the garage!
That is the only thing putting me off. I dont have the space for a 'still' type arrangement, or i would have a 'still' for other
uses...
DO NOT attempt to run your Land Rover on used engine oil. The feedstock oil itself (whether mineral or ester) isn't suitable, let alone the
additives that are in there that will destroy/clog everything.
Trust me, I am/was a chemist (redundant).
Only safe option is to transesterify old/new vegetable cooking oil. Take your old chip fat, add methanol and Na/KOH, stir, leave to settle, decant the
glycerol, filter whats left and add to Land Rover.
Nitrate the waste glycerol and have some fun...
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Originally posted by motorcycle_mayhem
Nitrate the waste glycerol and have some fun...
I think you should try it . Let us know when the engine and injection pump are cattle trucked!
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Originally posted by hughpinder
Obviously for 'offroad' use only, but you can run a diesel on 28 sec kerosene (heating oil) as long as you add something to give it some lubricity. I believe 5l 15/W40 per 205l barrel of heating oil(and stir well when added) works a treat.
Hugh