Rant in E Minor
Benzine - 16/10/09 at 05:21 PM
I'm not usually one to rant but...
Just got home from a nice trip into town (Melton Mowbray). I noticed something on my windscreen, a parking notice!
Me, my girlfriend and my son parked in a council pay and display car park. My girlfriend has a disabled blue badge so we displayed it on the dash. She
couldn't find the clock dial anywhere (for those of you who don't know, you spin the dial until it reads the time you arrived. With a blue
badge you have 3 hours from the time of arrival)
So we got out a pen and some paper and wrote "clock lost, arrived @ 14:35" (for those of you who don't know, we wrote down the time so
it displays what time we got there)
After 20 mins parking we got a ticket for "Parked in a car park without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket or voucher or parking
clock"
Info on above image: time of arrival, to be used with a blue badge
Info on paper: time of arrival, used with a blue badge.
Srsly, wtf 
Flamez - 16/10/09 at 05:25 PM
I understand the need for dedicated places for blue badge holders in relation to size of parking space and accessibility etc. but can anyone explain
to me the logic for free parking?
Disabilty has no correlation with the ability or not to pay?
Theshed - 16/10/09 at 05:28 PM
May just have some correlation on the need - rather than wish - to use a car? Ever seen a wheelchair on a bus - nuff said
Benzine - 16/10/09 at 05:31 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Flamez
Disabilty has no correlation with the ability or not to pay?
Flamez - 16/10/09 at 05:32 PM
I have seen modern buses designed for wheelchairs but alas I have never seen them used, but I don't use buses much either.
I really do understand and agree with the need but am at a loss over being treated differently regarding paying for parking.
Benzine - 16/10/09 at 05:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Flamez
I really do understand and agree with the need but am at a loss over being treated differently regarding paying for parking.
*sigh*
There are so many reasons I can think of but here's a quick one:
Able bodied person parks up in town, walks around and is done in less than an hour.
Disabled person arrives and then spends much more time in town due to accessibility, speed, or hundreds of other reasons (depending on what the
disability is) So they should pump more money into the machine because they can't do what they need to in town as quickly as an non-disabled
person?
[Edited on 16/10/09 by Benzine]
Confused but excited. - 16/10/09 at 06:04 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Flamez
I have seen modern buses designed for wheelchairs but alas I have never seen them used, but I don't use buses much either.
I really do understand and agree with the need but am at a loss over being treated differently regarding paying for parking.
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that they can't earn a decent living and have to get by on benefits, which since the early seventies are less
than 50% of what they used to be in terms of buying power.
Perhaps if we didn't waste untold millions on futile wars, giving it to foreign nationals etc. they could afford to pay to park and keep everyone
happy...........
cd.thomson - 16/10/09 at 06:04 PM
As a mobile person even I get it. Parking is increasingly restrictive as you approach the centre of town both in availability and cost. I get round
this by taking the bus, train or cycling into notts.
If you have reduced mobility you dont have these options (im not interested in making people struggle to cope with public transport aimed at the able
bodied i.e. fixed pick up and drop off points, getting on and off, access at busy times) ideally you need to be as close to the centre of town as
possible which requires a car.
This requirement to drive and park definitely should be offset to allow everyone equal freedom. I mean I even think 3 hours is harsh if someone has
mobility problems and they have to go shopping!
eta - Im also with confused on the need for financial support issue.
eta take II - back to the initial point... WHAT A C*CK, they have no flexibility or intelligence. I dont care what people say about Traffic Wardens -
it takes a particular kind of person to go into a job he/she knows every hates.
I got one 2 weeks ago, which I did something quite naughty with. I wont go into details as its on going but I would not have ticketed me in a million
years.
[Edited on 16/10/09 by cd.thomson]
[Edited on 16/10/09 by cd.thomson]
r1_pete - 16/10/09 at 06:07 PM
Challenge it, hopefully you'll get a sensible hearing, rather than the jobsworth gestapo who managed to sum up enough intelligence to issue the
ticket.
Most councils have outsourced the ticket touting and they are self funding, so make their money from the tickets....
Benzine - 16/10/09 at 06:08 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
I mean I even think 3 hours is harsh if someone has mobility problems and they have to go shopping!
Yeah, I often have to move the car to another car park due to the 3 hour limit, everything takes much longer
quote:
Originally posted by r1_pete
Challenge it, hopefully you'll get a sensible hearing, rather than the jobsworth gestapo who managed to sum up enough intelligence to issue the
ticket.
Most councils have outsourced the ticket touting and they are self funding, so make their money from the tickets....
Yeah will definitely contest it and win 
just a bit mad this happened at all!
[Edited on 16/10/09 by Benzine]
woodster - 16/10/09 at 06:28 PM
i'm sure when you appeal it will be sorted out i know people who have had tickets drop of the screen and other misunderstandings that have had
appeals with happy endings .... good luck don't stress over it.
Andi - 16/10/09 at 06:46 PM
I had one using my blue badge not long ago.
I had put the badge upside down (sieg heil)
And they couldnt read my number properly.
I contested and won. All they asked is for a photocopy of the badge. No doubt you will just have to produce some clock evidence at some point.
dogwood - 16/10/09 at 07:07 PM
You do not need to display a clock in a carpark, because you are not on a restricted time.
you only need to display your clock if you are parked on yellow lines, because you are ristricted to 3 hrs..
Check the rules that came with the blue badge.......
David
morcus - 16/10/09 at 07:11 PM
That really is mad, surely writing down the time and using the wheel show exactly the same thing so should be interchangable.
r1_pete hit the nail on the head, No form of security or similar should fund itself through punishing rule breakers, its unethical and promotes the
Idea that people will never be able to behave themselves.
scootz - 16/10/09 at 07:26 PM
Bloody outrageous... someone needs their arse kicked (hard!).
Andi - 16/10/09 at 08:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dogwood
You do not need to display a clock in a carpark, because you are not on a restricted time.
you only need to display your clock if you are parked on yellow lines, because you are ristricted to 3 hrs..
Check the rules that came with the blue badge.......
David
Actually thats quite right come to think of it.
There are some carparks that have a clause in the rules saying to the effect "Blue badge parking only permissible when tax disc states nil
amount" ie gets mobility.
[Edited on 16/10/09 by Andi]
Ninehigh - 17/10/09 at 08:34 AM
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Bloody outrageous... someone needs their arse kicked (hard!).
jollygreengiant - 17/10/09 at 10:22 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
quote:
Originally posted by Flamez
I have seen modern buses designed for wheelchairs but alas I have never seen them used, but I don't use buses much either.
I really do understand and agree with the need but am at a loss over being treated differently regarding paying for parking.
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that they can't earn a decent living and have to get by on benefits, which since the early seventies are less
than 50% of what they used to be in terms of buying power.
Perhaps if we didn't waste untold millions on futile wars, giving it to foreign nationals etc. they could afford to pay to park and keep everyone
happy...........
First off, I am NOT disagreeing with disabled parking, I am however going to have a rant about abuses off said system.
Surely if a person is 'that' disabled then they would not be driving a porsche 911, as I spotted in a wiatrose car park a while ago.
Also a disabled badge is required to be displayed with ALL elements CLEARY displayed, these are the rules as were accepted when the disabled badge was
obtained.
Disabled bage parking is NOT a god given right to park ANYWHERE at ANY TIME. merely to allow you to say I am disabled, please give me consideration
providing I have not parked in a dangerous or obstructive manner. It does not give people the right to park on a junction corner, on a Taxi rank,
across vehicle exits, or other stupid places.
Jasper - 17/10/09 at 10:31 AM
Here's my rant over disabled parking - make all disabled people get checked by an independent NHS doctor, NOT a private doctor. Both my parents
have blue badges, and certainly one of them doesn't need it (temporary back injury, now much better), and really nor does the other (Polio when
she was young, now has a slight limp), but guess what, given by their private doctor.
Your should see it around The Lanes in Brighton, loads of top of the range cars, including sports cars like Porsches all with blue badges, all parked
their all day long while they go and run their successful jewellery businesses, and I guarantee you every single one of them was given by their
private doctors.
Rant over 
cd.thomson - 17/10/09 at 11:26 AM
IMHO
i cant believe people are having these rants on this thread.
You dont know Benzine, you dont know his girlfriend.
Keep your generalised daily mail opinions away from his situation, start a new thread if you like.
Peteff - 17/10/09 at 11:43 AM
quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
IMHO
i cant believe people are having these rants on this thread.
You dont know Benzine, you dont know his girlfriend.
Keep your generalised daily mail opinions away from his situation, start a new thread if you like.
He put it out there and everyone is entitled to an opinion, Daily Mail or otherwise and the right to air it on a forum just as he is entitled to his
rant.
cd.thomson - 17/10/09 at 11:55 AM
I'm pretty sure the comment was on outrageous ticketing rather than anything to do with the blue badge.
Jasper - 17/10/09 at 02:38 PM
If your talking about me then my rant wasn't aimed at him as you can see, I'm just sharing his ranting thread to have my own rant on a
related topic, the use of blue badges. I think it's called freedom of speach.
I absolutely think qualifying people should have blue badges AND free parking, if fact my best mate has cerebral palsy and I'm always out in his
car ranting about the general publics abuse of blue badge spaces. And I'm sure Benzine's girlfriend counts as a qualifying person.
jollygreengiant - 17/10/09 at 05:04 PM
and IF you are refering to mine, I have NO problem with those who deserve it and use it properly, I do have a problem with people who abuse the system
or interfere with my right to earn a living legally because they think the blue badge gives them carte-blance in ANY situation.
scootz - 17/10/09 at 07:12 PM
quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Surely if a person is 'that' disabled then they would not be driving a porsche 911 as I spotted in a waitrose car park a while
ago.
Utter shite! Why not?
Staple balls - 18/10/09 at 05:35 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
First off, I am NOT disagreeing with disabled parking, I am however going to have a rant about abuses off said system.
Surely if a person is 'that' disabled then they would not be driving a porsche 911, as I spotted in a wiatrose car park a while
ago.
Why not?
Sure, there's gonna be some abuse of any system, but the car they choose to drive is no indicator of that, nor is how disabled they look when
you see them.
I'd bet there's a few people on here who qualify for blue badges.
Would you rather someone with a few mobility issues, but otherwise a normal person drove around in a pile of crap car? some people with disabilities
might need vehicles suited to their problems, but I'd bet that's a small minority.
Personally, I'm against people using blue badges if they don't need them, because it makes life more difficult for those who do.
However, I also accept that a great deal of people who look 'normal' could have any number of problems that aren't visible.
Ninehigh - 18/10/09 at 06:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Surely if a person is 'that' disabled then they would not be driving a porsche 911 as I spotted in a waitrose car park a while
ago.
Utter shite! Why not?
Cos I'm not disabled in any way and I struggled to get into one of them! My legs and back and arms work perfectly well but I did attract some
attention at the Porsche showroom when I fell out of one with a clunk-Pfffffrt!-thunk
Did get a good look at the underside while I was down there though!
Seriously though iirc a blue badge means you have mobility problems (for whatever reason) so I'm quite sure you're not disabled enough if
you can get into a car I struggle to. Not saying you have to have a pile of poo car of course but seriously, a 911? MGF? ELISE?? I don't even fit
in an Elise!!
Oh and abuse of those disabled spaces in car parks should carry a points/car towed away punishment
dogwood - 18/10/09 at 09:41 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
I'm quite sure you're not disabled enough if you can get into a car I struggle to. Not saying you have to have a pile of poo car of course
but seriously, a 911? MGF? ELISE?? I don't even fit in an Elise!!
Sorry mate, but that's said by someone that does'nt have a clue.....
My sister drives a MX5, She get's it through the Mobility scheme. modified for her requirements.
I won't go into details, but you definatly wouldn't want to have her disability.
She has had the odd comment "You cant be that disabled if you can drive a sportscar"
David
Peteff - 18/10/09 at 10:33 AM
Just give blue badges to people with cars adapted for disabled drivers, sorted. I have no axe to grind but a lot of people round here seem to get the
badges simply for the reason that they are too fat to walk anywhere whereas my mate who is a bit short of one leg due to a bike accident and weighs
about 16 stone gets himself about on a quad bike and walks when necessary.
[Edited on 18/10/09 by Peteff]
gottabedone - 18/10/09 at 10:57 AM
Guys,
No doubt we've all seen people hobble along on crutches and sticks with their weeks Tesco's shopping, throw it into the back of a FWD, chuck
their sticks in the back and drive off with a grin on their faces but that is a failing of our culture/society in this country.
The original rant was about Benzine making the effort and some brainless idiot mindlessly ticketing him .....
I have no idea what Benzine's GF's disability is - but I'm sure that most of us are glad that we don't have it (no offence
Benzine!)
Steve
scootz - 18/10/09 at 11:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
I'm quite sure you're not disabled enough if you can get into a car I struggle to.
Nonsense!
jollygreengiant - 18/10/09 at 11:25 AM
quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
and IF you are refering to mine, I have NO problem with those who deserve it and use it properly, I do have a problem with people who abuse the system
or interfere with my right to earn a living legally because they think the blue badge gives them carte-blance in ANY situation.
Personally I entirely refer to my requote of a previous post and restate that I have nothing against those WHO ARE derserving of use of the system and
abide by the laws reguarding it. If someone fell foul of of a minor infringement of those laws then I feel for them but the laws are there and if you
get done for not following them to the letter then that is life I'm afraid, it stinks, but.
As for the rest well that is my opinion and I feel sorry for those who have to resort to profaninties because another person has insulted there
sensibilities and they lack the integrity to take the reply as it is and was meant. ANOTHER PERSONS POINT OF VIEW.
And whilst it might not be in keeping with the views of a minority or majority of others, they are JUST as entitled to reply as ANYONE else.
Oh and both my parents were entitled to use the blue badge system although only one was allowed to because only he drove. They have both passed away
now and I thoroughly do understand the system and its use.
scootz - 18/10/09 at 11:33 AM
Don't feel sorry for me... the particular point you made that I replied to WAS complete and utter shite!
Are you going to clarify it... ? Why can't a disabled person drive a 911?
jollygreengiant - 18/10/09 at 11:51 AM
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Don't feel sorry for me... the particular point you made that I replied to WAS complete and utter shite!
Are you going to clarify it... ? Why can't a disabled person drive a 911?
Mate I refer to my above post. AND that is the end of the matter I will not be drawn into a mud slinging by you.
END OF
scootz - 18/10/09 at 12:22 PM
Oh, so that's how it works is it??? YOU get to make ridiculous comments (that YOU'RE not prepared to substantiate when challenged) on the
basis of 'free-speech' and 'opinion', then YOU decide when it's 'end off'???
Very adult of you!
It was a pile of shite when you wrote it and it's a pile of shite still... sorry if that causes you a problem, but I find your comments on the
matter (along with one or two others) to be ignorant to the point of offensive!
Ninehigh - 18/10/09 at 01:45 PM
quote:
Originally posted by dogwood
quote:
Originally posted by Ninehigh
I'm quite sure you're not disabled enough if you can get into a car I struggle to. Not saying you have to have a pile of poo car of course
but seriously, a 911? MGF? ELISE?? I don't even fit in an Elise!!
Sorry mate, but that's said by someone that does'nt have a clue.....
My sister drives a MX5, She get's it through the Mobility scheme. modified for her requirements.
I won't go into details, but you definatly wouldn't want to have her disability.
She has had the odd comment "You cant be that disabled if you can drive a sportscar"
David
I do admit that the most disabling thing I've had is a bad back. I suppose it depends on what ails you. I imagine you could drive a low-slung
sports car having one/both legs missing.
You've got to see the other side though, hey if you can afford it there's nothing in that respect to stop you, but I do wonder what a
person's disability is when I see a blue badge on a vehicle I would struggle to get in and out of.
I guess getting in and out isn't the most major factor in a choice of car I wouldn't know.
It's like when I was in college, there was a brand new Merc in the car park, and the parking pass was marked "Student". It's a 6th
form college so the guy wasn't over 19, and I was justifiably miffed imho
Benzine - 19/10/09 at 05:52 PM
I was walking around town a couple of hours ago and saw a traffic warden. I looked at her number on her shoulder and it matched the one on my ticket,
she was the one who issued the ticket! I was going to talk to her but I'll win the appeal anyway, didn't want to make matter worse.
Anyway, she's old and ugly and has a couple of nasty scratches across her face. Wonder how she got those!
quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Don't feel sorry for me... the particular point you made that I replied to WAS complete and utter shite!
Are you going to clarify it... ? Why can't a disabled person drive a 911?
Mate I refer to my above post. AND that is the end of the matter I will not be drawn into a mud slinging by you.
END OF
pwnt by scootz tbh