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Not guilty motorists to pay court costs
Guinness - 21/10/09 at 07:13 AM

WTF!!

Link To PH Story

"New regulations set to come into force later this month will see motorists forced to cough up court costs - even if they're found not guilty or acquitted of motoring offences.

The government-inspired change to the current set-up - where drivers get costs refunded if they're innocent - is being implemented to save cash, in spite of fierce opposition from legal and motoring groups who were nominally 'consulted' before the new policy was drawn up."

No 10 Petition here:- http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/CostsRecovery/



Mike


MakeEverything - 21/10/09 at 07:19 AM

another example of our quality justice system and the people that enforce it.

Im really starting to hate this country.


adithorp - 21/10/09 at 07:33 AM

Already been covered here...

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=123700

My 2p's worth... Although I goes against natural justice, in reality how many people actually are going to be affected by this? Most would represent them selves and loose.
Those that do win these cases employ expensive lawyers and although guilty as sin, of putting your's mine and everybody elses lives at risk, get off on a technicality or flimsy excuse. Alex Fergusons "I needed a pee" comes to mind.

..and who pays for it? ...us!

adrian

ps. A bit of playing devils advocate.


Humbug - 21/10/09 at 07:46 AM

"According to the Ministry of Justice, the age old principle of 'the loser pays' has been costing the government too much money."

So, instead of doing a better job of investigating cases to decide which ones they prosecute, just want innocent people to pay for their laziness? And they will be able to say it works because fewer people are likely to challenge fines due to the costs involved.

Incredible!


tonym - 21/10/09 at 07:50 AM

Probably more to do with the fact that people will pay up for fixed penalty fines as there will be no point in going to court to protest that they are not guilty. The courts (government) will win every time.

[Edited on 21/10/09 by tonym]


MakeEverything - 21/10/09 at 08:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Already been covered here...

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=123700

My 2p's worth... Although I goes against natural justice, in reality how many people actually are going to be affected by this? Most would represent them selves and loose.
Those that do win these cases employ expensive lawyers and although guilty as sin, of putting your's mine and everybody elses lives at risk, get off on a technicality or flimsy excuse. Alex Fergusons "I needed a pee" comes to mind.

..and who pays for it? ...us!

adrian

ps. A bit of playing devils advocate.


I disagree.

I was summoned to court for four offences;

Fail to stop for a constable
Exceeding 30
Driving without due care
Failt to comply with a traffic signal

All of which i had a justified and valid reason, three of which as a result of the coppers actions.

Long story short, got a barrister involved, and fought it at Greenwich. Went to court twice, and the judge threw it out almost straight away.

Why should i pay costs for something i have no control over, just because a copper decides he wants to abuse his position and authority and throw his weight around? The guy was an asshole, and even his partner refused to provide a statement to coobberate.



Anyway, rant over.

[Edited on 21/10/09 by MakeEverything]


scootz - 21/10/09 at 08:20 AM

Just a joke... a BAD one!


flak monkey - 21/10/09 at 08:55 AM

This is getting rediculous.

Lets hope there are lots of legal challenges against the CPS to recover costs when these rules come into force. Same way as you can recover costs if found innocent in other areas of the law.

Its just a ploy to stop people challenging minor motoring offences.


paul the 6th - 21/10/09 at 11:48 AM

so if you're seen to do something wrong but you honestly believe you didn't, then you have to go to court to prove it, then when you win you have to pay for the act of defending yourself?

c*nts

[Edited on 21/10/09 by paul the 6th]


Ivan - 21/10/09 at 02:38 PM

I know this might not apply in UK but in SA they wouldn't get away with it because the Constitution promises equity in the law & if they wanted to do it, it would have to apply to all court cases not just traffic.

Also, couldn't you make a civil case against the police for costs of their mistake.


Ninehigh - 21/10/09 at 08:53 PM

Wouldn't the costs be more than the original fine? Sounds like win-win for the government... You could argue that effectively removes the right to a fair hearing


alistairolsen - 22/10/09 at 09:26 AM

Guilty till proven innocent, and then still guilty?

Brilliant!

That will just result in fewer people challenging our mail order fixed penalties than already do.