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woodster - 22/10/09 at 09:03 AM

something you've spent thousands on and it still won't work

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6879293.ece#


RichieW - 22/10/09 at 09:09 AM

They should stick it on Ebay as an "Unfinished project".

"New house and baby forces sale".


richardlee237 - 22/10/09 at 09:16 AM

Niels Bohr (father of quantum theory)quotes

“There are some things so serious you have to laugh at them.”

“If anybody says he can think about quantum physics without getting giddy, that only shows he has not understood the first thing about them.”


David Jenkins - 22/10/09 at 09:25 AM

Note that this story has a spoiler in it for 'Fast Forward'!

(not that I'm watching that)


tegwin - 22/10/09 at 09:27 AM

Sounds to me like there is an insider sabbotaging the equipment and then blaming it on "god"


Davey D - 22/10/09 at 09:47 AM



Great scott! dont mess with the time space continuum


Mr Whippy - 22/10/09 at 09:54 AM

Or an experiment so complex it’s just very difficult to get it to work first time.

At first I thought this was to do with the rather a lot slower than expected progress of the commercial hot nuclear fusion reactors that boffins are still not getting to work for more than a few seconds after decades and many billions spent on them


roadrunner - 22/10/09 at 09:55 AM

But if the Boson could travel back through time to stop it self from being created then surely it would realise that it must have failed , because if it succeeded in stopping itself then it wouldn't be in the future to then go back and destroy itself.
Are you with me.


speedyxjs - 22/10/09 at 10:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by RichieW
They should stick it on Ebay as an "Unfinished project".

"New house and baby forces sale".




99p starting bid


Mr Whippy - 22/10/09 at 10:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by roadrunner
But if the Boson could travel back through time to stop it self from being created then surely it would realise that it must have failed , because if it succeeded in stopping itself then it wouldn't be in the future to then go back and destroy itself.
Are you with me.


exactly, a Star Trek plot would explain it as when the Boson stops the experiment it creates another alternate universe where the partial never existed hence it is no longer a paradox. Though how a simple particle is meant to know how to prevent a hugely complex experiment happening is even more ridiculous. Sometimes things just simply break and neither god or a particle had nothing to do with it.


Agriv8 - 22/10/09 at 10:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
quote:
Originally posted by RichieW
They should stick it on Ebay as an "Unfinished project".

"New house and baby forces sale".




99p starting bid


1, Due to size buyer collects
2, cash on collection
3, sold as seen
4, 13amp plug suppled

regards

Agriv8


scootz - 22/10/09 at 10:20 AM

Could it be that something complex that's never been done before just happens to have some teething problems???


cd.thomson - 22/10/09 at 10:23 AM

nope, definitely particles "abhorrent to nature" travelling back in time and wilfully damaging the machine... :|

I don't care how eminent the physicists are, they've definitely not done the maths for all that waffle!


SALAD - 22/10/09 at 10:57 AM

FlashForward spoiler has dissapointed me.
I am mildly miffed......no no, moderately miffed.


Findlay234 - 22/10/09 at 11:13 AM

Yeah i dont understand how we all are overly excited when the engines weve built work first time when we were actually expecting a long drawn out process, or when you build something at home and it doesnt work first time and you have to work through some issues, or an experiment you did for your uni dissertation didnt work and youre going to have to repeat it.....

BUT.....

when (probably) the most complicated experiment ever devised, to create a substance that not only might not exist but might actually exist and not exist at the same time in the future and in the past and right now that gives everything mass but may not have any mass of its own, breaks down we cry about devinely intervention and it being a waste of money.... All science and research could be argued as a waste but then high end research like this isnt just about the boson itself its also about the research that has gone into the equipment needed which may have furthered, for example, superconductor technology which could in turn make the computers you use in 5 years time work faster to keep abreast of the software desires of the user.... of course superconducter technology wont make you build your locost faster which youll still be building in 5 years time.....

cheers

PS, i dont know anything about the boson so my ideas about its characteristics are my own fiction.


morcus - 22/10/09 at 12:20 PM

I can't get to the article but I read about it in the paper.

I just have to ask, Why would a really small particle travel through time to stop and experiment and how? and why would an all powerfull God who can do anything care about colliders and particle physics? Besides, Floods and earthquakes are more his thing


02GF74 - 22/10/09 at 12:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by morcus
God who can do anything care about colliders and particle physics? Besides, Floods and earthquakes are more his thing


... don't forget about famine.


morcus - 22/10/09 at 12:38 PM

Good point.

unbelievably, particle physics and quantum theory are completely absent from the bible.


Ninehigh - 22/10/09 at 07:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Findlay234
Yeah i dont understand how we all are overly excited when the engines weve built work first time when we were actually expecting a long drawn out process, or when you build something at home and it doesnt work first time and you have to work through some issues, or an experiment you did for your uni dissertation didnt work and youre going to have to repeat it.....

BUT.....

when (probably) the most complicated experiment ever devised, to create a substance that not only might not exist but might actually exist and not exist at the same time in the future and in the past and right now that gives everything mass but may not have any mass of its own, breaks down we cry about devinely intervention and it being a waste of money.... All science and research could be argued as a waste but then high end research like this isnt just about the boson itself its also about the research that has gone into the equipment needed which may have furthered, for example, superconductor technology which could in turn make the computers you use in 5 years time work faster to keep abreast of the software desires of the user.... of course superconducter technology wont make you build your locost faster which youll still be building in 5 years time.....

cheers

PS, i dont know anything about the boson so my ideas about its characteristics are my own fiction.


This is where normal language gives up and goes to the pub...

quote:
Originally posted by morcus
unbelievably, particle physics and quantum theory are completely absent from the bible.


So am I... In fact so are cars, jam, spiderman, Spandau Ballet, Concorde


morcus - 22/10/09 at 09:59 PM

Thus, by the Irving method, they don't exist.