..... should have bought a v-twin
wonder if his five year ban runs alongside his stay in the govt hotel. Theres a link on the bbc web site today 166mph ,,,,,,,,,,,,,a702
[Edited on 28-10-09 by mangogrooveworkshop]
thanks uncle
cant do links yet on this smart phone......unless some knows how 5800 nokia
"A police speed check was taking place when officers were alerted by a high pitched whine from the motorcycle's engine."
..... should have bought a v-twin
daft to admint it .
it was not me and i dont have a green helmet and blue leathers (anymore lol)
speak to my layer im saying nothing
lets face it if your bike can do 200mph would you not try it ever
if they want you to go slower get speed limiters fited as std to all cars and bikes,oh then they wont make as much money from you.
[Edited on 28/10/09 by thunderace]
quote:
Originally posted by paul the 6th
"A police speed check was taking place when officers were alerted by a high pitched whine from the motorcycle's engine."
..... should have bought a v-twin
quote:
Originally posted by paul the 6th
"A police speed check was taking place when officers were alerted by a high pitched whine from the motorcycle's engine."
bastards. thats just plain wrong. jail is for murderers theives paedos etc. not for people who speed.
poor man.
is there any petition to free him?
9 months in jail 5yr ban
I'm fairly sure you wouldn't be saying that (A1) had he smacked into one of your loved ones at Warp Speed 10 and shredded them to pieces!
Completely stupid speed to do on the highway... we all know you get the jail at that sort of speed, so he'll just have to take his medicine and
get on with it.
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Originally posted by scootz
I'm fairly sure you wouldn't be saying that (A1) had he smacked into one of your loved ones at Warp Speed 10 and shredded them to pieces!
Completely stupid speed to do on the highway... we all know you get the jail at that sort of speed, so he'll just have to take his medicine and get on with it.
Right... so by that logic it's okay to do whatever you like, so long as no one gets injured???
Not in my book! Had he killed one of my loved ones whilst riding at an an appropriate speed then I would have been obviously upset, but not with him
(assuming there was no careless / dangerous factors). Move that speed up the scale then I would want to rip his head off and sh*t down his throat... I
suspect that would be quite a common reaction. Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to kill him, to ACTUALLY killing him!
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Yes, but he didn't - punuishment for a crime he did not commit.
160+ on the A702, what a t***
the A701's much more fun and you don't have to drive/ride like a t*** for it to be fun
yea but the bit he did it on is about 2 miles long and you can see right down the entire length of it.
none of my loved ones are silly enough to stand in the middle of a road.
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Originally posted by scootz
Right... so by that logic it's okay to do whatever you like, so long as no one gets injured???
Not in my book! Had he killed one of my loved ones whilst riding at an an appropriate speed then I would have been obviously upset, but not with him (assuming there was no careless / dangerous factors). Move that speed up the scale then I would want to rip his head off and sh*t down his throat... I suspect that would be quite a common reaction. Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to kill him, to ACTUALLY killing him!
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Originally posted by 02GF74
Yes, but he didn't - punuishment for a crime he did not commit.
He didn't get the same punishment. Had he killed someone at 160mph, then he would have been looking at quite a few years in jail... not 9 months!
i used to go down that road every day, and all the near misses i saw were not because of speeding, it was people overtaking on blind summits and bends.
I have NEVER speeded 
I have however made threats to kill...
I am a bad human being! 
Here we go again the age old condemn and hang the speeder. There are so many arguments for and against it is unbeleivable.
Argument 1 - In Germany which is another so called civilised nation on unrestricted roads no offence would be commited.
Argument 2 - If it is so dangerous to travel at those speeds that it warrants a 5 year ban and 9 months in prison why is acceptable for the police to
do so (even with specialist training things can and do go wrong).
Argument 3 - This guys whole life will now be down the toilet for the next 5 years or so. Is this a suitable punishment for a couple of minutes of
poor judgement. How would you feel if this was your son who's whole life had come crashing down due to a bit of stupidity.
Argument 4 - There are cases where people HAVE actually killed someone in a vehicle and received less of a sentence.
Argument 5 - As previously mentioned if speed was so dangerous it warrants these sorts of sentances than simply fit GPS trackers to all new vehicles
with auto restrictors set to the limit for that particular road. Would imagin with modern technology and big business buy downs this could be achieved
for around £100-150 per vehicle.Hey presto absolutely no speeding from new vehicles and then
they can link into insurance and taxing so we can become the complete nanny state. Hey why not retrospectively inroduce legisation to say all vehicles
will have to have this fitted by say 2013.
As for if he had killed my loved one, yes I would expect him to get royally screwed for that but I for one think the punishment does not fit the crime
in this case.
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Originally posted by tony9876
Here we go again the age old condemn and hang the speeder. There are so many arguments for and against it is unbeleivable.
Argument 1 - In Germany which is another so called civilised nation on unrestricted roads no offence would be commited.
Yes - but only on certain motorways and not on busy sections near cities, and all German vehicles are restricted to 155mph.
Argument 2 - If it is so dangerous to travel at those speeds that it warrants a 5 year ban and 9 months in prison why is acceptable for the police to do so (even with specialist training things can and do go wrong).
Police can do a lot of things we're not allowed to do in the hope of upholding the law, that's why they're trained, in this case if they were chasing him I doubt they would travel at these speeds to catch him, they would more likely use a helicopter.
Argument 3 - This guys whole life will now be down the toilet for the next 5 years or so. Is this a suitable punishment for a couple of minutes of poor judgement. How would you feel if this was your son who's whole life had come crashing down due to a bit of stupidity.
It was not his first offence, he admitted to being addicted to speed, maybe he needs this to break his addiction. If it was my son I'd be packing his bag .....
Argument 4 - There are cases where people HAVE actually killed someone in a vehicle and received less of a sentence.
But maybe they weren't driving dangerously at the time?
Argument 5 - As previously mentioned if speed was so dangerous it warrants these sorts of sentances than simply fit GPS trackers to all new vehicles with auto restrictors set to the limit for that particular road. Would imagin with modern technology and big business buy downs this could be achieved for around £100-150 per vehicle.Hey presto absolutely no speeding from new vehicles and then
they can link into insurance and taxing so we can become the complete nanny state. Hey why not retrospectively inroduce legisation to say all vehicles will have to have this fitted by say 2013.
Why punish everybody to stop a few idiots? Just punish the idiots as they do now.
As for if he had killed my loved one, yes I would expect him to get royally screwed for that but I for one think the punishment does not fit the crime in this case.
Jasper - stop talking so much sense... no-one wants to hear that!
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Originally posted by Jasper
quote:
Originally posted by tony9876
Here we go again the age old condemn and hang the speeder. There are so many arguments for and against it is unbeleivable.
Argument 1 - In Germany which is another so called civilised nation on unrestricted roads no offence would be commited.
Yes - but only on certain motorways and not on busy sections near cities, and all German vehicles are restricted to 155mph.YES ONLY NEW GERMAN VEHICLES WHAT ABOUT FERRARIS AND JAP BIKES ETC.
Argument 2 - If it is so dangerous to travel at those speeds that it warrants a 5 year ban and 9 months in prison why is acceptable for the police to do so (even with specialist training things can and do go wrong).
Police can do a lot of things we're not allowed to do in the hope of upholding the law, that's why they're trained, in this case if they were chasing him I doubt they would travel at these speeds to catch him, they would more likely use a helicopter. DOUBT OR KNOW THAT THEY WOULDNT. THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS HIGH SPEED POLICE COLLISIONS WHEN THEY SPEED THROUGH HEAVILY BUILT UP AREAS AND PACKED MORTORWAYS.
Argument 3 - This guys whole life will now be down the toilet for the next 5 years or so. Is this a suitable punishment for a couple of minutes of poor judgement. How would you feel if this was your son who's whole life had come crashing down due to a bit of stupidity.
It was not his first offence, he admitted to being addicted to speed, maybe he needs this to break his addiction. If it was my son I'd be packing his bag ..... GLAD I AM NOT YOUR SON
Argument 4 - There are cases where people HAVE actually killed someone in a vehicle and received less of a sentence.
But maybe they weren't driving dangerously at the time? NO JUST CARELESS DRIVING. LORRY DRIVER KILLED TWO AND GOT SUSPENDED SENTENCE AND 1YEAR BAN
Argument 5 - As previously mentioned if speed was so dangerous it warrants these sorts of sentances than simply fit GPS trackers to all new vehicles with auto restrictors set to the limit for that particular road. Would imagin with modern technology and big business buy downs this could be achieved for around £100-150 per vehicle.Hey presto absolutely no speeding from new vehicles and then
they can link into insurance and taxing so we can become the complete nanny state. Hey why not retrospectively inroduce legisation to say all vehicles will have to have this fitted by say 2013.
Why punish everybody to stop a few idiots? Just punish the idiots as they do now. IF YOU DONT SPEED WHY ARE YOU BOTHERED, NO CRIME NO PUNISHMENT?
As for if he had killed my loved one, yes I would expect him to get royally screwed for that but I for one think the punishment does not fit the crime in this case.
A massive 'crippling' fine, or 15 weeks (for that's all he'll serve of his '9-month' sentence) in the Ritz... sorry HMP
Pokey... why not give him the massive 'crippling' fine AND 15 weeks in the jail... HANG HIM!
Sorry - I'm getting all Judge Dread again!
Seriously though, I think we can accept there are nobs out there who travel at ridiculous speeds to fuel their need for an adrenaline rush and who are
a a danger to other road users (you, me and those we love). As tough as it is that this chap was the fall-guy, the trial was always going to be very
high-profile, so 'the law' have used it as a platform to send out a clear message to others not to repeat his actions (and potentially
saving lives)!
I've said it before, and I'l say it again... right or wrong, WE KNOW that these sort of speeds attract a jail term, so tough-shit!
I know what you are saying but that prison sentence could totally screw his whole life up. If he want to emigrate or visit certain countries when he
is older not only does it screw him up but whoever his family is at the time.
All I am saying is who you are and what you do at 27 unless it seriously harms someone else (or worse) should not have a life lasting impact. That
said if they did it again 6 months later throw away the key because obviously lesson is not being learnt.
He has been tried, convicted and sentenced for what might, I repeat might, have happened not for something that actually did happen.
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
The guy who was jailed for going really fast, on a motorbike, in the wet with his young son on the pillon.....again nobody was hurt and no property
damaged yet he got time inside.
This is not to say that either of them are not stupid people....but have either of them commited a criminal act equivalent aggrievated GBH or multiply
robberies ?
[Edited on 29/10/09 by jeffw]
his life is going to be screwed now, hell never be able to get a decent job.
there seems to be a thought that if youre doing the speed limit you and everyone around you is safe. Lets be honest, doing 70 on a motorway in heavy
rain, although legal, is more dangerous than doing twice that in a car made for it on a sunny day.
Im not saying doing 160 isnt silly, but if the roads clear and straight (its certainly VERY straight there), its hardly hurting anyone, is it?
its just the cops cracking down on the easy targets. you dont see them catching knife weilding chavs, do you? and they are intentionally hurting
people, and laughing about it too, so surely to god they should be put in the clink, not someone who put his foot (or wrist in this case) down a bit.
bear in mind how easy it is to go that fast on these bikes too, its well within their capability.
If you're gonna max it (and it's almost the law to do it once) then at least do it on an empty road.. Like the M6 at about 2am on a saturday morning
you must be a chemist to distill so much nonsense into such a small volume of text
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
He has been tried, convicted and sentenced for what might, I repeat might, have happened not for something that actually did happen.
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
The guy who was jailed for going really fast, on a motorbike, in the wet with his young son on the pillon.....again nobody was hurt and no property damaged yet he got time inside.
This is not to say that either of them are not stupid people....but have either of them commited a criminal act equivalent aggrievated GBH or multiply robberies ?
[Edited on 29/10/09 by jeffw]
And why is it nonsense then ?
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Originally posted by jeffw
And why is it nonsense then ?
quote:
He has been tried, convicted and sentenced for what might, I repeat might, have happened not for something that actually did happen.
quote:
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
quote:
The guy who was jailed for going really fast, on a motorbike, in the wet with his young son on the pillon.....again nobody was hurt and no property damaged yet he got time inside.
quote:
This is not to say that either of them are not stupid people....but have either of them commited a criminal act equivalent aggrievated GBH or multiply robberies ?
Second vote for Crushing the bike.
I Honestly think the sentence is fair, 160mph is a ridiculus speed (He would have complete the 2 miles stretch (I saw that figure earlier) in
45seconds. Everyone knows that the police are out to get speeders and that your gonna get caught. I'm not saying I've never exceeded the
speed limit, but 160 is just stupid.
He screwed his own life up, and he gives people like us(Motoring enthusiasts) a bad name.
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Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
And why is it nonsense then ?
I was hoping you would ask!
Or give it to me!
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
[Edited on 29/10/09 by jeffw]
All interesting views.
I have done 203MPH on the Autobahn (GPS certified) ....does this mean I should have a prison sentence ?
jeff, on an autobahn people expect you to be travelling fast. You are less likely to catch someone out.
Different countries have different laws. If you went to france and had sex with a 15 year old, would you feel like a criminal?
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Originally posted by jeffw
All interesting views.
I have done 203MPH on the Autobahn (GPS certified) ....does this mean I should have a prison sentence ?
).
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to kill him, to ACTUALLY killing him!
Have a look at the actual road on google maps and you'll see how he was tempted to do it.edit to add What interests me is the custodial sentence for this gentlemen. I believe his actions where reckless but I am not convinced that he should be behind
bars for them.
I have been driving cars /riding bikes for 30 odd years now and there have been moments when I have probable been almost as reckless. The Autobahn
was derestricted and it was 6.00am on a bright, dry Sunday morning.
There are a significant number of bikes & cars that will do 160+ now days and I would think a proportion of the owners have tested the speeds
claimed for those vehicles....is this the future prison population as well ?
At what speed does his actions warrent a custodial sentence ? If he had been doing 120 would he have been inside ? The effect on something he hit
and himself in the event of an accident would be very similar at 120 to 160MPH.
quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to kill him, to ACTUALLY killing him!
Read this back when you are capable of thinking, do you actually think there would be anything left of him if he hit something at 160mph. I ride a bike and he's my hero now
Have you considered anger management classes, calm down man.
Anger management is for wimps... better to let it out a la Charlie Bronson in Death Wish, or Michael Douglas in Falling Down!
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Anger management is for wimps... better to let it out a la Charlie Bronson in Death Wish, or Michael Douglas in Falling Down!
Different film methinks!
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
The effect on something he hit and himself in the event of an accident would be very similar at 120 to 160MPH.
All parties would still be dead regardless of the increased kinetic energy.
Interestingly the kinetic energy of a 1700Kg car at 70 MPH is more than that of a 300Kg (bike +rider) at 160MPH.
[Edited on 30/10/09 by jeffw]
Where did you get a bike and rider figure of 300kg from? I'd have thought a bike that could do that kind of speed would make it more than that
I would have said that 300KG was pretty high!
Litre Sports bike @ 190KG (Wet)
Average Rider @ 80KG (Wet )
Average Total = 270KG
I was going for the upper end of the scale. My RC30 was only 175Kg from memory.