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jos - 11/2/10 at 07:25 PM

I was out for a curry the other night and I was always under the impression that a Madras was hotter than a Jalfrezi but I was told it wasnt. Ive tried searching for curry hotness leagues/tables/rating etc etc and couldnt find anything so therefore I'm asking the question on here.

Whats the correct order of hotness

Phal
Vindaloo
Jalfrezi
Madras
Dopiaza
Tikka Masala/Mosala
Butter chicken

Any others to add to the list, or reorder??


mookaloid - 11/2/10 at 07:36 PM

I'm with you - I think a Madras is usually hotter than a Jalfrezi but theres' not a lot in it.

I would add Korma to the bottom of the list but it's barely a curry IMHO


ReMan - 11/2/10 at 07:39 PM

mmm curry!

It's not all about hot, its about flavour, but IMHO then the average Madras, Jalfrezi are about the same fairly hot with Dopiaza medium hot

[Edited on 11/2/10 by ReMan]


dhutch - 11/2/10 at 07:41 PM

Then if you go to spoons tonight.

Vindaloo -> Madras
Jalfrezi/ Madras - > Tikka Masala
Dopiaza/Tikka Masala/Mosala -> Butter chicken


jos - 11/2/10 at 07:46 PM

Ahh Korma, I knew I'd missed one

I always thought butter chicken was the least spicy

Phal
Vindaloo
Jalfrezi
Madras
Dopiaza
Tikka Masala/Mosala
Korma
Butter chicken

Ive heard about a Tindaloo - anybody had any experience?


bassett - 11/2/10 at 07:50 PM

Im sure a Madras is hotter than a Jalfrezi?


bigandy - 11/2/10 at 07:51 PM

What about a Bhuna?

Andy


fesycresy - 11/2/10 at 07:54 PM

I would say Madras is hotter than a Jalfrezi.

Also Rogan Josh, Kitty Kat (something like that anyway) and a Dhansak.


fesycresy - 11/2/10 at 07:56 PM

From Gavin and Stacey.

pointless korma


Davey D - 11/2/10 at 07:58 PM

i find that different curry houses differ in spicyness for the same dishes anyway. My usual place can even differ in spicyness night to night. some nights a dish can be just right, and other nights it nearly blows your socks off

My favourite is Lamb pathia.. mmm


tomprescott - 11/2/10 at 08:00 PM

Kashmir/miri are very mild, yoghurt with lychee and banana and mild spice over chicken or lamb - really good if everyone is going out for a curry and you're worried about ring-sting!


smart51 - 11/2/10 at 08:05 PM

Curry names are not about levels of hotness, they're different recipies using different ingredients. You might as well rank British soups in order of savouriness. "No, No, Scotch Broth is much more savoury than Ox Tail". "Carrot and Cellery is rubbish soup because it's hardly savoury at all".

Vindaloo is potato, ginger, black pepper and chillies. Madras contains a very wide variety of spices plus lots of tomato and onions. Vindaloo may well often turn out hotter than Madras but there's no reason why you can't cook it to your own preference.


Howlor - 11/2/10 at 08:10 PM

Fahrl?!


Simon - 11/2/10 at 08:32 PM

The flavours are all to do with regions in India, though for the most part you won't find any of the dishes in curry shops in any part of India

Bit like you won't find Spaghetti Bolognaise is Spain (except in an English bar perhaps). It's an English dish

ATB

Simon

[Edited on 12/2/10 by Simon]


jos - 11/2/10 at 08:34 PM

The measure of a good curry is the level of ring sting experienced the following morning.

I'm with Smiffy on this one too, sharing isnt allowed

No ring sting = you havent eaten a curry.

Raging, bite your knuckles while youre desperately trying not to push, twitching in the knowledge that the imminent explosion and ensuing green fug will mean sweet relief, followed by the customarily rapid comical exit from the loo thus bating the trap for the next person to enter - is the true sign of a good curry

[Edited on 11/2/10 by jos]


iank - 11/2/10 at 08:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Howlor
Fahrl?!


On the list, normally spelt Phal


I've seen this list before (in ascending order)
Korma/Kurma - mild, yellow in colour, with almond and coconut powder
Curry - medium, brown, gravy-like sauce
Dupiaza/Dopiaza - medium curry the word means "double onion" referring to the boiled and fried onions used as its primary ingredient.
Pasanda - a mild curry sauce made with cream, coconut milk, and almonds.
Roghan Josh (from "Roghan" (fat) and "Josh" (energy/heat - which as in English may refer to either 'spiciness' or temperature)) - medium, with tomatoes
Bhuna - medium, thick sauce, some vegetables
Dhansak - medium/hot, sweet and sour sauce with lentils (originally a Parsi dish). This dish often also contains pineapple.
Madras - fairly hot curry, red in colour and with heavy use of chili powder
Pathia - generally similar to a Madras with lemon juice and tomato purée
Jalfrezi - onion, green chili and a thick sauce
Vindaloo - this is generally regarded as the classic "hot" restaurant curry, although a true Vindaloo does not specify any particular level of spiciness. The name has European origins, derived from the Portuguese "vinho" (wine) and "alho" (garlic)
Phaal - extremely hot.
Tindaloo - Extremely hot in a similar vein to Phaal. Generally only found around Bradford and the north in general.
Samber - confined to North West England - with lemon juice and lentils.
Afghan - with chickpeas.


twybrow - 11/2/10 at 08:41 PM

Top of the tree in the UK is a Tindaloo. We tried one and it was hotter than hell!

In India - these dishes do not exist!


iank - 11/2/10 at 08:42 PM

There's always the 'challenge' curries laid on as a bit of a novelty, normally in university towns.

e.g. http://www.curryhell.com/#/rupali-curry-hell/


JoelP - 11/2/10 at 08:42 PM

the hottest one i ever tried to eat was called 'kholpouri' or similar. Fairly ineddible. I once managed to make something at home that was of a similar severity, it had two chillis in it, and then an extra two scotch bonnets in my half (the wife was too smart to have anything to do with it!). Barely got it down, but was too stubborn to admit id got carried away!


jos - 11/2/10 at 09:01 PM

Thanks for that iank. Ive only recently heard of a tindaloo and didnt realise there were others that were hotter than a phaal


MikeCapon - 11/2/10 at 09:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Bit like you won't find Spaghetti Bolognaise is Spain (except in an English bar perhaps). It's an English dish

ATB

Simon


Sorry Simon but a Bolognese sauce is in fact Italian. From Bologna in fact. Where they (sort of) make Ducatis. And bolognese sauce. Which is usually put together a bit better than the Dukes


iank - 11/2/10 at 09:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeCapon
quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Bit like you won't find Spaghetti Bolognaise is Spain (except in an English bar perhaps). It's an English dish

ATB

Simon


Sorry Simon but a Bolognese sauce is in fact Italian. From Bologna in fact. Where they (sort of) make Ducatis. And bolognese sauce. Which is usually put together a bit better than the Dukes


Yeah, but the 'proper' stuff is a little different to what most people make (including the Italians)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8467045.stm


JoelP - 11/2/10 at 09:58 PM

the afghani chicken dish i had wasnt hot at all, a definate mid field curry.

Though i find it much more fun to work your way through an entire menu, than to just try to find the hottest ones.


Hellfire - 11/2/10 at 10:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jos
Thanks for that iank. Ive only recently heard of a tindaloo and didnt realise there were others that were hotter than a phaal


In this part of England and most others too, a Tindaloo is hotter than a Vindaloo but not as hot as a Phaal.

Phil


02GF74 - 11/2/10 at 11:13 PM

phal is the tops.

... and the hotness does vary.

the hottest curry I've ever had was the Basingstoke phal, pure fire in your mouth.

i was the only one who managed to finish it all but then we were much younger and lagered up.

after that, there is nothing more to prove so I don't bother with really hot curries.

the after effects was that when going for a wee, it burned the todger!! not recommended.


matt_gsxr - 11/2/10 at 11:46 PM

Curry hotness depends where you are in the country.

I was brought up in Leicester and that is fairly warm (not as hot as Leed/Bradford though).

Down sarf curries are wimpier.

Go to the USA it becomes cuisine and you can order anything with no fear at all.


Matt


Peteff - 11/2/10 at 11:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Howlor
Fahrl?!


Is that the well known German version ? I don't bother with curries any more I just eat Orange Habaneros and Scotch Bonnet sandwiches. Just buy some Insanity Sauce if you want your food hot, two drops will render anything inedible. My favourite hot sauce at the moment is Busha Browne's Pukka hot pepper sauce, it's quite nice added to a stew or soup, like an instant curry but not crazy hot.


[Edited on 12/2/10 by Peteff]


Simon - 12/2/10 at 01:23 AM

Hottest thing I ate was a "Jungle Curry" from the local Thai. utterly vile, but I ordered, so I ate.

Next time (in a couple of weeks), I'll be going for flavour.

When I worked in London, we used to frequent a curry greasy spoon. A biryani from there would trump a local vindaloo and it was a fiver.


T66 - 12/2/10 at 04:09 AM

Well it is 4am -


And the curry special I ate last evening between 8pm & 10pm was lovely.


Only problem is I was in bed by 11pm.


Moaned groaned, tossed & turned till 0200am....


Drank 3 pints of water, on the occasions I did fall asleep I dreamt I was drinking gallons of water, but it wasnt quenching my thirst (honest)

Gulping it down I was .....


Gave in at 0300am and got up for a cup of tea !

Its now 0407am, wide awake and off to bed till the work alarm goes off at 0600am.


I just love curry thanks....


Bye @ 0408am




trikerneil - 12/2/10 at 05:01 AM

Some of the reason for the inconsistency of flavour is down to the ingredients.
I commented on this at my regular curry house and was told that the chillis can vary in their heat due to the time of year that they are harvested.

Well it sounded plausible to me.

Neil


Davey D - 12/2/10 at 07:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
quote:
Originally posted by Howlor
Fahrl?!


... Just buy some Insanity Sauce if you want your food hot, two drops will render anything inedible...

[Edited on 12/2/10 by Peteff]


Ive got some Daves Temporary Insanity sauce in the cupboard. It is great stuff, although i sometimes forget how hot it is, and get carried away pouring it onto my food.. Ouch!


02GF74 - 12/2/10 at 08:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by trikerneil
Some of the reason for the inconsistency of flavour is down to the ingredients.
I commented on this at my regular curry house and was told that the chillis can vary in their heat due to the time of year that they are harvested.



maybe but I am not convinced.

in posher restaurants they make it milder but if you are in a group of beered up lads, then an extra spoon or 3 of chilli powder is added.


NigeEss - 12/2/10 at 09:57 AM

This place does some great sauces. I've a bottle of the 7.3m stuff and it's crazy. First
time I used it I put a match head size in my bowl (wife wimped out) and struggled to eat it.
As above have mentioned, it was a matter of principle by then !


Vindi_andy - 17/2/10 at 02:56 PM

reading this made me think of this joke report had to go and find it

Notes From An Inexperienced Curry Taster Named FRANK, who was visiting
Durban from the U.S.

“Recently I was honoured to be selected as a judge at a curry cook-off. The original person called in sick at the last moment and I happened to be standing there at the judge’s table asking directions to the beer wagon when the call came. I was assured by the other two judges (couple of local Indians) that the curry wouldn’t be all that spicy, and besides, they told me I could have free beer during the tasting, so I accepted. Here are the scorecards from the event:”

———————————–

Curry # 1: Manoj’s Maniac Mobster Monster Curry

JUDGE ONE: A little too heavy on tomato. Amusing kick.

JUDGE TWO: Nice, smooth tomato flavour. Very mild.

FRANK: Holy sh*t, what the hell is this stuff? You could remove dried paint from your driveway. Took me two beers to put the flames out. I hope that’s the worst one.
__________________________________________

Curry # 2: Applesamy’s Afterburner Curry

JUDGE ONE: Smoky, with a hint of pork. Slight Jalapeno tang.

JUDGE TWO: Exciting BBQ flavour, needs more peppers to be taken seriously.

FRANK: Keep this out of reach of children! I’m not sure what I’m supposed to taste besides pain. I had to wave off two people who wanted to give me the Heimlich manoeuvre. They had to rush in more beer when they saw the look on my face.
___________________________________________

Curry # 3: Farouk’s Famous Burn Down the Barn curry

JUDGE ONE: Excellent firehouse curry! Great kick. Needs more beans.

JUDGE TWO: A beanless curry, a bit salty, good use of red peppers.

FRANK: Call Colesburg, I’ve located a uranium spill. My nose feels like I have been snorting Draino. Everyone knows the routine by now, get me more beer before I ignite. Barmaid pounded me on the back; now my backbone is in the front part of my chest. I’m getting sh*t-faced from all the beer.
_________________________________________

Curry # 4: Barbu’s Black Magic

JUDGE ONE: Black bean curry with almost no spice. Disappointing.

JUDGE TWO: Hint of lime in the black beans. Good side dish for fish or other mild foods, not much of a curry.

FRANK: I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was unable to taste it, is it possible to burn-out taste buds? Savathree, the bar maid, was standing behind me with fresh refills; that 300 lb. bitch is starting to look HOT, just like this nuclear waste I’m eating. Is curry an aphrodisiac?
___________________________________________

Curry # 5: Laveshnee’s Legal Lip Remover

JUDGE ONE: Meaty, strong curry. Cayenne peppers freshly ground, adding considerable kick. Very impressive.

JUDGE TWO: Curry using shredded beef; could use more tomato. Must admit the cayenne peppers make a strong statement.

FRANK: My ears are ringing, sweat is pouring off my forehead and I can no longer focus my eyes. I farted and four people behind me needed paramedics. The contestant seemed offended when I told her that her curry had given me brain damage. Savathree saved my tongue from bleeding by pouring beer directly on it from a pitcher. I wonder if I’m burning my lips off? It really pisses me off that the other judges asked me to stop screaming.
___________________________________________

Curry # 6: Vera’s Very Vegetarian Variety

JUDGE ONE: Thin yet bold vegetarian variety curry. Good balance of spice and peppers.

JUDGE TWO: The best yet. Aggressive use of peppers, onions, and garlic. Superb.

FRANK: My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gaseous, sulfuric flames. I shat myself when I farted and I’m worried it will eat through the chair. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except that slut Savathree, she must be kinkier than I thought. Can’t feel my lips anymore. I need to wipe my ass with a snow cone! _____________________________________________

Curry # 7: Sugash’s Screaming Sensation Curry

JUDGE ONE: A mediocre curry with too much reliance on canned peppers.

JUDGE TWO: Ho Hum, tastes as if the chef literally threw in a can of curry peppers at the last moment. I should note that I am worried about Judge Number 3. He appears to be in a bit of distress as he is cursing uncontrollably.

FRANK: You could put a grenade in my mouth, pull the pin, and I wouldn’t feel damn thing. I’ve lost the sight in one eye, and the world sounds like it is made of rushing water. My shirt is covered with curry which slid unnoticed out of my mouth. My pants are full of lava-like sh*t to match. At least during the autopsy they’ll know what killed me. I’ve decided to stop breathing, it’s too painful. Screw it, I’m not getting any oxygen anyway. If I need air, I’ll just suck it in through the 4 inch hole in my stomach. ____________________________________________

Curry # 8: Hansraj’s Mount Saint Curry

JUDGE ONE: A perfect ending, this is a nice blend curry, safe for all, not too bold but spicy enough to declare its existence.

JUDGE TWO: This final entry is a good, balanced curry, neither mild nor hot. Sorry to see that most of it was lost when Judge Number 3 passed out, fell over and pulled the curry pot down on top of himself. Not sure if he’s going to make it. Poor Yank, wonder how he’d have reacted to a really hot curry?


OX - 17/2/10 at 05:33 PM

When i saw this thread i rememberd reading the above post some where else . lol


Steve Hignett - 17/2/10 at 09:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Vindi_andy
reading this made me think of this joke report had to go and find it...



I'd not read this joke before and I've just been crying from stifling my laughter due to my 8month pregnant wife having nodded off beside me and not wanting to wake her - very funny (apart from curry 8, I wanted to hear from Frank, even if it was his eulogy!)