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blakep82 - 6/4/10 at 09:43 PM

confused by this, i've always made fun of americans for 'aluminum', but i've just gone on metal supermarkets.co.uk, which then routes to .com, and offers discounts on orders over $100

however, it has 2 sections, for aluminium and aluminum, with different options beyond that.

aluminum only has an option of rolled shim stock, aluminium has loads of profile options and grades

have i been missing something all these years?!


MakeEverything - 6/4/10 at 09:46 PM

no, its just the Yanks overcomplicating everything again!
They need to learn to speak proper english like what us do.


skinned knuckles - 6/4/10 at 09:48 PM

weird, i thought it was just the yanks bastardising the queens english too but they seem to see a difference between the 2?

hope i'm wrong and that its the same as nuclear and nucular (as said by G dubya bush)


blakep82 - 6/4/10 at 09:48 PM

good, thought i was going mental.

still can't get the price of 35mm aluminium tube though guess i'll just have to go to the shop on thursday then


iank - 6/4/10 at 09:53 PM

I suspect the simple answer is their database doesn't know they are the same thing.

If you are buying full sheets and lengths it's worth talking to a non-ferrous specialist stockholder.

I've used http://www.aalco.co.uk/ and they were happy to deal with the public for single standard sized sheets. They were a lot cheaper than metalsupermarkets at the time.


blakep82 - 6/4/10 at 09:56 PM

i'd have thought that being american, the database would be full for aluminum, and aluminium would be empty if that was the case. weird.

I'm only after 1m or so, for a couple of cooling pipe joiners.

could do them out of steel i guess... antifreeze with its rust inhibitors and spme paint for the outside would do the same job, and be easier to weld for making t-pieces... hmmm...

[Edited on 6/4/10 by blakep82]


iank - 6/4/10 at 10:06 PM

Could 32mm aluminium be made to work?

linky

or 38mm

linky


iank - 6/4/10 at 10:13 PM

Also a decent plumbers mechant will sell 35mm copper tube. Plumbcenter stock it for example. Can then use standard T fittings which takes the aggravation out of making leak free T's.

Not cheap with the current price of copper, but very easy to work with.


blakep82 - 6/4/10 at 10:16 PM

then connection on the engine is 34mm (which is annoying lol) don't think:

35mm hose will compress down enough for 32mm tube

32mm hose will stretch enough for 34mm on the engine

35mm hose will strech to 38mm tube

and i think there was another combination.

good idea though! however, a half meter would be more than enough anyway. could do it with 300mm i think. plus going to see my mate in glasgow on thurs, he lives about a mile or so from metal supermarket, so could drop in then


trextr7monkey - 6/4/10 at 10:22 PM

You need a lathe !

atb
Mike


blakep82 - 6/4/10 at 10:34 PM

lol you're probably right! no where to put it though, and no money for one


turbodisplay - 7/4/10 at 07:15 AM

For my plumbing I used steam pipe and gas pipe, the steam pipe was reduced by inserting the gas inside the steam and welding(32mm od).

Darren


smart51 - 7/4/10 at 07:19 AM

The metal was known under several names at first

Aluium
Alumium
Aluminum
Aluminium

The international body that governs chemical names decided on Aluminium and America, for a while, conformed. Then the American aluminium industry decided they didn't need forieners telling them what to do so unilaterally changed to Aluminum.

Metal Supermarkets.com is a Canadian company. The British franchise has nothing to do with the website. The buy their stock locally so can't get some of the things on the web but can get other stuff.


britishtrident - 7/4/10 at 07:41 AM

Calling it aluminium or aluminum is a bit like calling steel "iron" or calling brass "copper".

Correct term in the UK is Aluminium alloy or light alloy .

Very important to know which aluminum alloy you want.


40inches - 7/4/10 at 07:48 AM

How about Merlin Motorsport


alistairolsen - 7/4/10 at 07:57 AM

http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Forward-Metals-Ltd_2-Diam-x-16SWG_W0QQ_fsubZ700147012QQ_sidZ217440252QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322


RK - 7/4/10 at 12:49 PM

I just call it ally, so I don't come across like a posing tosser who's trying to take over your culture. If that happened, it would be the biggest thing since Lord Beaverbrook!


JekRankin - 7/4/10 at 01:13 PM

Might be worth giving Richard Austin Alloys a ring? They're based in Glasgow, but I'm not sure if they do small lengths.

PS re: your thread yesterday, I have a B&Q Oyster plumbing tool modified for beading tubes which you are welcome to borrow.


cd.thomson - 7/4/10 at 01:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by smart51
The metal was known under several names at first

Aluium
Alumium
Aluminum
Aluminium

The international body that governs chemical names decided on Aluminium and America, for a while, conformed. Then the American aluminium industry decided they didn't need forieners telling them what to do so unilaterally changed to Aluminum.



Interesting take on it. The discoverer (can't remember his name!) settled on calling it aluminum as he derived it from a material called "alumina".

There wasn't a true international naming body in the same way there is today, but there was a group of fluffed up old fellas in Britain who had decided everything needed to come through them for naming. They decided to change the name to have the -ium suffix inline with other metals like sodium despite "aluminum" not actually breaking any rules.

Thats all from memory so might not be 100% accurate!


David Jenkins - 7/4/10 at 03:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
Interesting take on it. The discoverer (can't remember his name!) settled on calling it aluminum as he derived it from a material called "alumina".



Humphrey Davy (of mining lamp fame). First person to separate it by using electricity.

He called it aluminum, but the international scientific comunity changed that to Aluminium to match the other newly discovered metals (e.g. calcium).
By that time the original name had already reached the USA...

[Edited on 7/4/10 by David Jenkins]