Bye Bye Gordon thanks for everything
good riddance!
I wonder how long it will take the Tories to privatise the Royal Mail?
Back to same old same old me thinks.
and high interest rates too.
[Edited on 11/5/10 by 001Ben]
hmm, interesting though, suppose they were voted back in, would he have still gone? ANOTHER prime minister who wasn't actually voted in. bunch of wasters...
We will end up paying through the teeth, whoever takes power.
He should have resigned 6 months ago
He should have resigned 13 years ago.
quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
He should have resigned 6 months ago
Time for a change, fingers crossed!
Remember my post Octoberish ? Get your money on now.
no way will dave n nick get along for long, there parties are poles apart.
Europe ?
Immigration ?
PR ?
Tax and who to tax ?
I'm not a torie by any stretch of the imagination but I truly think dave should have tried it on his own.
Someone on telly summed it up well, its like asking a manure supporter to support Liverpool or vice versa, wont happen.
Honeymoon period to follow then turmoil.
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
We will end up paying through the teeth, whoever takes power.
). don't need soldiers in the NHS, more doctors and nurses though...
bear in mind that tory of 20 odd years ago were responsible for the high interest rates, privatising everything to pay loads of debt (presumably, i
don't know, was too young at the time) no government want to be in that position, really doubt it was on purpose. a bit silly to assume its going
to happen again
I'll never vote Tory too many bitter memories of Maggie!
However, the Condem alliance has got to be much better than the so called Rainbow alliance where the Scottish Nationalists would be holding the
country to ransome.
I just hope the Libdems can pull on Camerons chain now and again and keep him in check.
Thank God that is over....been waiting a long time to get rid of the Labour party. Tough times ahead but at least I don't have to listen to Blair/Brown/Campbell & Mandy anymore.
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
don't need soldiers in the NHS, more doctors and nurses though...
bear in mind that tory of 20 odd years ago were responsible for the high interest rates, privatising everything to pay loads of debt (presumably, i don't know, was too young at the time) no government want to be in that position, really doubt it was on purpose. a bit silly to assume its going to happen again
Couldn't agree more.......Sadly Dave isn't Maggie. Haigh would do a good impersonation though
quote:
Originally posted by 001Ben
[Edited on 11/5/10 by 001Ben]
High interest rates where not the preserve of the Tories. The average rate since the war has been around 7%. The insane levels of 15% where an attempt to stay in the EMF once the markets tried to ruin Stirling. It is only in very recent years that interest rates have been as low as they are, sadly the Libor rate hasn't followed the BoE rate.
does anyone else think it would be a good idea to stop party leaders making MPs vote to the party line? Ie no whips, free vote on everything. Then every MP would have to listen to constituant, and there would be no need for one party to have the majority you need to force acts through. ie you could just form a minority government and hope others agree with your plans!
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
does anyone else think it would be a good idea to stop party leaders making MPs vote to the party line? Ie no whips, free vote on everything. Then every MP would have to listen to constituant, and there would be no need for one party to have the majority you need to force acts through. ie you could just form a minority government and hope others agree with your plans!
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
.......Sadly Dave isn't Maggie. Haigh would do a good impersonation though
I vote Ozzy Osbourne for PM The rest should be sent to the moon.
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
don't need soldiers in the NHS, more doctors and nurses though...
bear in mind that tory of 20 odd years ago were responsible for the high interest rates, privatising everything to pay loads of debt (presumably, i don't know, was too young at the time) no government want to be in that position, really doubt it was on purpose. a bit silly to assume its going to happen again
T'was a necessary evil that had to be done I'm afraid......just like now ... it's going to be tough....but we need to get the country back off its knees......just like back then....
And yes.....I do remember it......
You just wait...in 20 odd years time, the youngsters will be saying....Blimmin Tories, high tax, interest etc etc, completely not understanding that tough calls will have had to be made to get the country kick-started again.....
Much like some of you, who were just a bit too young to remember why the Tories had to make the decisions they did back then.......
All I can say..is that this situation the Tories are now in, to some of us, is very much 'ground-hog' day....
I'd better add there, that I am referring to tough times, not coalition....
Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
Joel, I thought the B of E always set the base interest rates.
Was it not New Labour who took the control of the banks away from the B of E? ... Hence the banks running away with themselves unchecked?
Fozzie
thing is, the only way to get the country out of debt is to pay through the teeth, so any pm will look bad now.
We are not getting a pm, just a comedy double act.........
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
We are not getting a pm, just a comedy double act.........
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
Joel, I thought the B of E always set the base interest rates.
Was it not New Labour who took the control of the banks away from the B of E? ... Hence the banks running away with themselves unchecked?
Fozzie
Not 100% sure; but as far as i can see, the BoE has been calling the shots on interest rates since 1997. Before that i believe it was the gov.
I don't get how my vote can be used to advance another i didnt vote for or want as PM.
Ie I voted Libdem and i didnt vote for the Torie now my vote has been used to put torie in power,I don't think that is right at all.
To me if you have an election and you don't get a 326 majority on your own then one of two things should happen
1/ You havent got enough votes to oust the current goverment so they stay in power or
2/ you have to set a date for a reelection and seek majority votes
Just my opinion
I also remeber the 15% mortgage rates under the tories NOT NICE at all for a young mand with a house and 2 kids with SWMBO at home not earning.
As I see it now here is the biggest problem
WHO is going to pay for it all ( the taxpayer that's WHO)
So we work harder and longer ( cause thats how we are) to bring ourselves to a level we want to be at but we pay more tax.
BUT the dole scroungers and wasters who won't work ( not dissing those on here who were unfortunate to lose their jobs) and have no intentions of
ever working will If I am correct STILL HAVE the same level of benefit HOW THE FECK DOES THAT WORK EH
So work and pay more OR be a lazy useless scrounging waster and stay on the same level.
I believe that if taxes go up by say 5% then ALL types of benefits should come down by 5%. Seems only fair that we should all suffer the same to get
the country back on its feet.
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
I believe that if taxes go up by say 5% then ALL types of benefits should come down by 5%. Seems only fair that we should all suffer the same to get the country back on its feet.
quote:
Originally posted by sonic
To me if you have an election and you don't get a 326 majority on your own then one of two things should happen
1/ You havent got enough votes to oust the current goverment so they stay in power or
2/ you have to set a date for a reelection and seek majority votes
Just my opinion
I dont think it will last very long as has already been said the Tories and Libs are so far apart on policies its unbelievable.
Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the improvements
made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no reason to
pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing.
I also wonder how long it will be before everything else is privatised as well.
Time will tell. Maybe they are different form the Tories of old. But I doubt it.
I somehow doubt the bankers that got us in this mess ever vote/voted labour anyway.
I certainly didnt vote for the Libs to allow them to get into power the one party I didnt want to get in!
quote:
We are not getting a pm, just a comedy double act.........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3ogYg05e_Q
Mind you Heseltine still looks like his Spitting Image puppet
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
quote:
Good riddance to a morally, politically and financially bankrupt party.
And welcome to a new one ? (sorry two new ones) all morals have gone through the window already, the finance comes from a non resident and as for the politics, no ones knows what condem politics are yet so I reserve judgment on that
jeffw - 11/5/10 at 08:39 PMquote:
non resident
Something I believe Lord Paul, the Labour Party support, has an issue with as well...
Anyway Jon, lets get back to more serious issues.....No BECs for Mallory 6hr next week, shocking isn't it, what are your thoughts ?
[Edited on 11/5/10 by jeffw]
Fozzie - 11/5/10 at 08:41 PMquote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
I believe that if taxes go up by say 5% then ALL types of benefits should come down by 5%. Seems only fair that we should all suffer the same to get the country back on its feet.
another great locostbuilders policy, Fozzie, hope your jotting these down for the October election.
Yep makes good sense ... lower 'their' dole/benefits .... on a sliding scale ....as some people will be on the dole because of job losses...not because they are lazy ar$es..
Seems as though a few of us were trying to bring up a young family back then.....I had 3 young'uns ... work/employment was what you could get..not what you wanted.....OH worked 7 days for a pittance....I used to get the bairns ready for their bed, and go out to work until midnight..5 days a week......just to pay the bills.....
One good thing came out of it though.....we learnt how to feed a family on next to nowt....
Sadly, with the Banks needing to be bailed out, and the national debt we now have and the reserves we have lost (thanks Gordie), of course it is left to us to us to pay for it ...
To get the 'lazy louts' off the dole..we need to make it more attractive for people to start new business's, and for those new and old business's to employ more people......more people into the work place... equals fewer for 'us' to have to fork out for their dole benefits ....
IMHO of course ...
Fozzie
bmseven - 11/5/10 at 08:45 PMNot to mention the immigrants that they'l do nothing about !
JoelP - 11/5/10 at 08:49 PMalso, why the rush to pay off the deficit? Debt has two bad aspects, firstly the interest is wasted, and secondly if you look like you're struggling then it can suddenly get a lot more expensive. So all we need to do is take sufficient steps to keep the AAA credit rating, and aim to be square in 10 or 20 years. There's no point slashing spending so much and increasing tax so much that the country falls apart and the economy stalls again.
I think people have a bee under their bonnets about the debt, whats a trillion quid between mates?
Paul TigerB6 - 11/5/10 at 08:49 PMWho remembers this spoof clip??
linky
jeffw - 11/5/10 at 08:53 PMWe now pay more in interest payments on the national debt than the whole defence budget...think on that.
Paul TigerB6 - 11/5/10 at 09:07 PMquote:
Originally posted by JoelP
also, why the rush to pay off the deficit? Debt has two bad aspects, firstly the interest is wasted, and secondly if you look like you're struggling then it can suddenly get a lot more expensive. So all we need to do is take sufficient steps to keep the AAA credit rating, and aim to be square in 10 or 20 years. There's no point slashing spending so much and increasing tax so much that the country falls apart and the economy stalls again.
I think people have a bee under their bonnets about the debt, whats a trillion quid between mates?
You said it yourself - the interest payments in the long term are a killer. £50 billion or so a year just on paying for previous government borrowing? Hardly what you really want is it in the long term.
Put another way - the repayments of interest only will be about 1.5 times the total Defence budget, and approximately half of the NHS total budget.
Jeff you beat me to it!! ^^
[Edited on 11/5/10 by Paul TigerB6]
mad4x4 - 11/5/10 at 09:13 PMquote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
He should have resigned 13 years ago.[
Yeah
Fozzie - 11/5/10 at 09:13 PMquote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
.........Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the improvements made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no reason to pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing..........
You cannot be serious!?!
I think Labour have already wrecked the NHS, the money that has been poured into them by Labour didn't go on Doctors, Nurses or patients.....it went to employ managers and other pen pushers, taking much needed money and resources away from patient care and equipment too......and lets not start about the state of the hospitals.....if you can find one that is......they are being closed down left right and centre ......
Try and get an appointment to see your GP? ...no, they are so overstretched, you are lucky if you only have to wait a week for an appointment.....and the GP's practices have just had a budget cap/reduction.....so that was not going to get better any time soon!
Schools education? ...... that has never been in such a state, the standards are abysmal, siblings have to go to different schools miles apart, and we are talking infants here ... the 5-7 age group that cannot get on a bus themselves...... No new schools being built, their playing fields being sold off, Techs and C of F.Ed. closing down through lack of funding........There is nowt left to ruin.....
Labour has already done it!
Jon Ison - 11/5/10 at 09:19 PMbut the unelected (what goes around comes around) condems are poles apart on the deficit ?
and to pick up of Fozzies point re work, business", it was a Labour funded initiative that kick started our current business, all the tories ever did for us was tell us to "eat grass" Shame the help we had 3 years ago wasn't around then ?
Jon Ison - 11/5/10 at 09:23 PMFozzie, you need to move, 3 new schools within 10 miles and 2 new hospitals within 30 miles.
Doctors, ring them at 8.30 see them before 10.00, think you need to change your local MP
Check ours out, the Beast of Bolsover, check his attendance record and expenses to.
Paul TigerB6 - 11/5/10 at 09:27 PM^^^^ Well said Fozzie. Too interested in statistics, league tables and meeting targets and forgetting what these services are supposed to be about in the first place.
Just look at the SATS boycott in schools over the past few days. The police spend all their time filling in forms rather than doing their job, and when they do they seem to target the easily solved "crime" such as motorists etc (not that they are trying to meet any targets - honest guv!). The MoD has more pen pushers than soldiers. The NHS is awash with the bureaucrats too.
Madness. We want more nurses!! I'll have 2 please............ in sexy nurses outfits preferably!!
motorcycle_mayhem - 11/5/10 at 09:28 PMI'm afraid that greed, not limited to the political classes, will ensure that things can only get worse whatever.
Me? I have a few hopes left, that the debt and public sector overhead can be reduced. Further that an environment can exist where 'real' business/industry can be nurtured and not just taxed to death.
I'm a redundant industrial Chemist, having seen the industry dive over recent years... would be great if we got back to the 'old' incentives the industry once had -such as tax benefits to invest in R+D in the UK.
I appear to be on the scrapheap in my middle 40's...
BenB - 11/5/10 at 09:35 PMI'm just pissed we've got a fricking conservative PM. Useless to$$ers.
No doubt their answer will be to sell anything that isn't privatised to wipeout the national debt leaving us precisely bankcrupt. Whilst making sure their corporate backers make nice little profits in the process.
Great.....
Richard Quinn - 11/5/10 at 09:37 PMquote:If we owe as much as we do and still have a triple A credit rating, why is is so difficult for individuals and small businesses to get finance now?
Originally posted by JoelP
So all we need to do is take sufficient steps to keep the AAA credit rating, and aim to be square in 10 or 20 years.
Paul TigerB6 - 11/5/10 at 09:38 PMquote:
Originally posted by motorcycle_mayhem
I'm a redundant industrial Chemist, having seen the industry dive over recent years... would be great if we got back to the 'old' incentives the industry once had -such as tax benefits to invest in R+D in the UK.
As a former process development chemist myself i can certainly sympathise with you. I went through 2 redundancies in 1998 and 2001 before getting out of the petrochemical industry altogether. Even 10 years ago, the industry seemed to be taking a hammering.
Manufacturing of any sort seems to be dying a death in this country now. Comes to something when one of our largest goods (as opposed to services) exporters is the weapons industry!!!
Fozzie - 11/5/10 at 09:58 PMquote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Fozzie, you need to move, 3 new schools within 10 miles and 2 new hospitals within 30 miles.
Doctors, ring them at 8.30 see them before 10.00, think you need to change your local MP
Check ours out, the Beast of Bolsover, check his attendance record and expenses to.
Oh...The irony Jon .....
It is/was nothing to do with my MP be he good or bad ....
What happened was that the government (Labour) set the budgets ..... less and less for the Tory held areas, yet more taken from them in Business rates and Council Tax, and whisked away to the Labour Heartlands ...
Prescott ordered that we (area), had to create x amount of housing where there is no room to swing a cat.......nowt in the budget for the all important infrastructures as in utilities .... with more housing comes....people...and they (Government) ordered that schools hospitals should shut...no money for more gp's, no money for the roads, and while they were at it, lets cut the bus services.....(kids school transport)....
Lets make it hard for new business's to start, by not offering new business subsidies, 'start-up' perks, or business reliefs'.......
Oh yes and lets close the swimming pools and leisure centres/parks and build back to back 'rabbit hutches' oh and building on flood plains is a really good idea said Mr Prescott.... Hmmmmmmmm .....
Talking of Hospitals.......I'm having urgent surgery tomorrow ....it took a tad over 3 weeks from an emergency appointment to having an op .....might seem a long time to you...positively mega zoomingly quick for around here.......scary......that a part of a country that people mistakenly perceive to 'have it all', in reality ....third world....
Fozzie
Fozzie - 11/5/10 at 10:03 PMquote:
Originally posted by BenB
I'm just pissed we've got a fricking conservative PM. Useless to$$ers.
No doubt their answer will be to sell anything that isn't privatised to wipeout the national debt leaving us precisely bankcrupt. Whilst making sure their corporate backers make nice little profits in the process.
Great.....
Ben we are bankrupt ... and I think gordie has already sold all the remaining reserves and assets, and paid 'their' people mega-bucks (not to mention expenses.... lol) in mindless, inane, totally useless quango's, and 'working parties' .....
Jon Ison - 11/5/10 at 10:08 PMFozzie, hope all goes well for you tomorrow.
dont you think though with all the own goals labour scored dave should have walked it ? He didn't persuaded to many in reality most of them where put off by labour (Gordon) not drawn to dave, there are some comments above about manufacturing, think that sorta started big time in maggies golden years, the dash for gas, the material girl ?
dave has is work cut out, hes not as popular as he thinks, just less unpopular than Gordon was, if and its only an if labour now get there act together over the next few months the condems are condemned. I really would have advised him to go it alone, hes upset a fair few supporters I'm sure, they really are chalk n cheeses, cons/lib dems ?
craig1410 - 11/5/10 at 10:25 PMI for one am delighted at the appointment of David Cameron as PM. I believe he is a very genuine person (for now at least - power can induce madness as we saw with Thatcher and Blair)
I think that Cameron and Clegg will work well together and both are in strong enough positions within their own parties to bring the party with them.
People still complain about Thatcher and yet she is remembered as the third greatest PM we have ever had. Gordon Brown is rated as the worst! I agree with both for the record. Linky.
I grew up in the 70's and 80's and went through University and started work in the 90's and Thatcher and Major did me and my family no harm at all and we are by no means rich. My Dad ran a successful small business throughout that time and retired successfully in 2001. Unfortunately my sister who took over the business has not had such a successful time under labour and faces the closure of the business. It is a similar story for many small businesses across the UK.
Whether everyone can see it now or not, the country is in better hands this evening than it was this morning. Labour only know how to waste money, the Conservatives will assist small businesses who in turn will employ people and form the medium and large companies of tomorrow. Those who are prepared to work will reap the rewards and those who abuse the benefits system will get a rude awakening! Teachers will be allowed to teach (my wife is a teacher btw) and doctors and nurses will be allowed to run the hospitals without the micromanagment and meddling of Labour!
Hopefully we can get back to manufacturing and innovation because I firmly believe that this is the only true way to increase the wealth of a nation. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.
Undoubtedly the conservatives will be blamed once again for the pain of the next few years and "never be forgiven" by some, but we must remember the part that Labour had in digging the very deep hole we now find ourselves in.
I for one am hugely relieved at the return of competence to government!
mangogrooveworkshop - 11/5/10 at 10:59 PMquote:
Originally posted by bmseven
Not to mention the immigrants that they'l do nothing about !
And you have something against me?
In our local area if it wasn't for the immigrants none of your farms would function.
All of your soft fruits and beef would be harder to produce cause your lazy local chavs dont want to work.
I go to customers who have monster tele`s on full sub packages who moan cause the teles off for an hour or two.....
I dont even have sky
We work umpteen hours over our contracted week to keep systems going on a call out rota to keep the great unwashed lazy locals televisions working....
So mate you should look at your locals before picking out immigrants...
you only have to look in the take aways to see the hard workers being abused by the dolees
Fozzie - 11/5/10 at 11:06 PMThank you for your kind wishes Jon....
Yes.....I would have thought that Dave the Rave would have got more seats .... and like you I would have thought more of him if he had 'gone alone' ... but, I fear that the way the 'rule' is written.....Gordie would have stayed......
I am personally very wary with the Condem (LOL) alliance .... but again if Dave the Rave had gone it alone, and became PM, I could see the Lab/Libs opposing every move....even down to the opening of an envelope......
Without that majority it was doomed for clear leadership.
I personally hope he draws on William Hagues new found maturity and wisdom, we need to find some modicum of respect in the eyes of the world at this point, enough to bring confidence back to the stock market would be good.
I'm not so sure that Labour would spring back that quick .... remember that Labour introduced quite a few new areas (constituencies) that were safe for them.....how that would fare if reform came to be I'm not so sure....
Also..Gordie put the fear of wotsit into the 'few' by saying that the Tories were going to cut this and that....winter payment for the oldies, and tax credits.......to name 2 ..... that is what he surmised (made up), not what was actually fact....so I think he got the 'Lazy-Lout' vote there as it scared them into thinking the Tories were going to cut their dole ..... ah well ....
Another thing that Labour did very well was to rob the pension pots....oh and ensure every English (not sure about Wales) youngster that wanted Higher Education started their adult life with a major financial debt around their necks......(fee payback)....oh and to raise the retirement/pension age to repay some of the billions they have wasted elsewhere........
I think that at this point all we can do is pull our heads in, batten down the hatches and ride the waves.......It isn't going to be a pretty ride .... that's if Dave the Rave has the nerve to do what needs to be done.....
All the above IMHO of course...
Fozzie
02GF74 - 12/5/10 at 06:43 AMquote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
don't you think though with all the own goals labour scored dave should have walked it ?
He should have but what little of the campaign I watched, he never actually said anything. Any question about what the conservatories were going to do was answered in one of 2 ways: we will bring change but said nothing about what that change was or else attack labour.
he is a two faced slimeball, out of the three the most genuine one was Clegg, and he was very good in last of the summer wine too.
flak monkey - 12/5/10 at 06:59 AMquote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
.........Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the improvements made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no reason to pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing..........
You cannot be serious!?!
I think Labour have already wrecked the NHS, the money that has been poured into them by Labour didn't go on Doctors, Nurses or patients.....it went to employ managers and other pen pushers, taking much needed money and resources away from patient care and equipment too......and lets not start about the state of the hospitals.....if you can find one that is......they are being closed down left right and centre ......
Try and get an appointment to see your GP? ...no, they are so overstretched, you are lucky if you only have to wait a week for an appointment.....and the GP's practices have just had a budget cap/reduction.....so that was not going to get better any time soon!
Schools education? ...... that has never been in such a state, the standards are abysmal, siblings have to go to different schools miles apart, and we are talking infants here ... the 5-7 age group that cannot get on a bus themselves...... No new schools being built, their playing fields being sold off, Techs and C of F.Ed. closing down through lack of funding........There is nowt left to ruin.....
Labour has already done it!
I cant say much more than what Jon had said in reply to be honest. But yes it sounds like you need to move
NHS waiting lists cut from 6+months to 1 month, and yes I can phone the docs and get an appointment the same day.
Schools expanded and 3 new built around this area. My mum is a teacher and has noticed an improvement in standards across the board.
You deffo need a new MP who stands their ground. Maybe stop voting in the Tory one and give one of the others a chance
As for what Lab have put in place for small businesses and start up's its far far better than anything the Tories ever did last time.
richardh - 12/5/10 at 08:08 AMlet's not forget that Clegg's lot lost seats too..................
Perpetual cycle. Labour = waste and squander and Cons = fix the labour mess then get over greedy.
Horay for the one Green Party victory though just to be totally different.
I'm no fan of any of these 2 leaders as none will be true to their words.
As for labour/new labour/new labour gone back to old ways or whatever they call themselves this time - they should have held a leadership contest and ousted that twat long ago.
IMHO - let's ride the winds of change and suffering and see what comes of it.
SteveWalker - 12/5/10 at 08:42 AMquote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
.........Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the improvements made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no reason to pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing..........
You cannot be serious!?!
I think Labour have already wrecked the NHS, the money that has been poured into them by Labour didn't go on Doctors, Nurses or patients.....it went to employ managers and other pen pushers, taking much needed money and resources away from patient care and equipment too......and lets not start about the state of the hospitals.....if you can find one that is......they are being closed down left right and centre ......
Try and get an appointment to see your GP? ...no, they are so overstretched, you are lucky if you only have to wait a week for an appointment.....and the GP's practices have just had a budget cap/reduction.....so that was not going to get better any time soon!
Schools education? ...... that has never been in such a state, the standards are abysmal, siblings have to go to different schools miles apart, and we are talking infants here ... the 5-7 age group that cannot get on a bus themselves...... No new schools being built, their playing fields being sold off, Techs and C of F.Ed. closing down through lack of funding........There is nowt left to ruin.....
Labour has already done it!
I cant say much more than what Jon had said in reply to be honest. But yes it sounds like you need to move
NHS waiting lists cut from 6+months to 1 month, and yes I can phone the docs and get an appointment the same day.
Schools expanded and 3 new built around this area. My mum is a teacher and has noticed an improvement in standards across the board.
You deffo need a new MP who stands their ground. Maybe stop voting in the Tory one and give one of the others a chance
As for what Lab have put in place for small businesses and start up's its far far better than anything the Tories ever did last time.
NHS waiting lists cut from 6 to 1 month - yes, government targets worked there ... or not!
My wife will appear to not have exceeded any targets for waiting, although she has been waiting for a diagnosis for over two years! They just bounce her around from one team to another, so she never exceeds any targets! Seven consultants so far, each one takes a month or so to get to see her, then they order tests that take a month to six weeks to get an appointment for, then another three weeks or so before she can see them for the results and then they either order more tests or bounce her on to the next team. She has been re-referred to teams she has seen before, she has had tests repeated (with the waits) just 'cos the consultant doesn't trust another teams records. Total time spent having tests and seeing the teams could easily fit into a week. No account is taken of total waiting time, only time to first appointment.
There are have also been people kept waiting in ambulances, so the clock in A&E doesn't start ticking, to keep within the targets, etc.
Money has been spent very badly - my wife works in psychiatry and her team is having to deal with another team's backlog of 18 months to 4 years, without any extra CPNs, so the delays continue, while the staff are stressed and put under pressure to assess extremely complex cases, possibly with immediate life threatening consequences, in forty minutes (they used to have 2 hours)!
Central government funding has been cut and cut, while more tasks have been loaded onto councils, so council tax has rocketed.
There are not enough places in the local schools to cope with the recent influx of Eastern Europeans (that the rest of Europe refused to accept until 2011), so my second son cannot follow his brother into the same school - as I work full time and my wife works part time to look after the kids, she has to take them to and from school, but she cannot be in two places at once!
The list goes on.
bmseven - 12/5/10 at 12:56 PMquote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
quote:
Originally posted by bmseven
Not to mention the immigrants that they'l do nothing about !
And you have something against me?
In our local area if it wasn't for the immigrants none of your farms would function.
All of your soft fruits and beef would be harder to produce cause your lazy local chavs dont want to work.
I go to customers who have monster tele`s on full sub packages who moan cause the teles off for an hour or two.....
I dont even have sky
We work umpteen hours over our contracted week to keep systems going on a call out rota to keep the great unwashed lazy locals televisions working....
So mate you should look at your locals before picking out immigrants...
you only have to look in the take aways to see the hard workers being abused by the dolees
Bit touchy!!
I am not bothered by the legals though I do believe the numbers allowed entry should be reduced!
But on a daily basis I have first hand experience of "the uninsured drunken drivers arrested at 11 in the morning, the crime rings the immigration detention centres that are full and yes I have visited them ALL"
As far as our farms I have several friends with farms who are all well off and employ no migrant workers but have seen plenty of illegal migrant workers arrested.
And who has to pay for all this?
YOU and ME
Will it be any better under a Tory government I doubt it, will it be any worse I suspect so
P.S I also live in an village where I can get a doctors appoinment the day I call, a hospital appointment within a few weeks a secondary school with Sports College Status and one of the largest artificial playing surfaces. 2 NHS hospitals within 20 minutesone currently undergoing a huge extension, nationally recognised burns unit etc etc, wife works in the NHS and is well paid and has good working conditions.
[Edited on 12/5/10 by bmseven]
[Edited on 12/5/10 by bmseven]
Fozzie - 14/5/10 at 03:31 PMWhy should I have to move? ....
Although I have moved around the country a fair bit in my life, this is where I was born and brought up....as were about 5 generations before me......
This was a great area......which is slowly becoming over built, over populated and underfunded.......
The Labour Government has done this to my area......their directives, their targets their (local government) budgets......
They don't like the 'money' that has chosen to live in my area (that is non-native to this part) ... end of!
You will be pleased to know that although I could write for ages on this, I wont because I am now out of hospital, but hurting ........
Something happened to me in there.....and the Consultant went into 'one' about the caRp medications they are 'given' ..... (yes I elected to stay awake) .... so I heard it all ...
In this day and age, it shouldn't happen that the quality of hospital care/gp's or schools or infrastructure is dependant on where you live, or whether or not you happen to live in a Labour or Tory heartland ....that, in my book at least, is discrimination.......