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Are we really bothered?
02GF74 - 28/5/10 at 11:16 AM

that a few sabre toothed frogs and other fauna (look it up!) get killed by the BP gulf oil slick?

Saw on telly that a million barrels a day of oil have been spewing from the burst pipeline for over 5 weeks?!?!?!

Whilst we can blame the greed of the oil comanies and the authorities that allowed the rig to be sited so close to shore, surely some of the blame as to be the consumer, i.e. you dear reader* - since we all want out petrol to be a cheap as possible.

* note I exclude myself as I get my petrol from Tesco

What really puzzles me is that it has been leaking for so long and still not plugged.

Why can't they call Bruce Willis, like they did to blow up that big asteroid? Surely there are more teams experienced with oil work than there are drilling asteroids?


tegwin - 28/5/10 at 11:18 AM

Humans are never going to win when we try to mess with nature.....

We like to think we are in control, but its things like this that prove we are not...

This is why things like genetically engineered microbes etc is a very very scary thing


scootz - 28/5/10 at 11:21 AM

Yes... I am bothered!


turbodisplay - 28/5/10 at 11:21 AM

You would think they would have a valve just over the site it comes out of the ground, and a plan.
We have a team of poeple who spend all day doing nothing, ready to deploy if a sub gets into trouble, you would think a petrol company would have the same forward planning?


Darren


GMPMotorsport - 28/5/10 at 11:23 AM

When we have managed to kill off all of Mother Natures treasures then i think we will be bothered but sadly then it will be to late.


gazza285 - 28/5/10 at 11:26 AM

Have no fear, Mother Nature will kill us off before we can kill Her.


tegwin - 28/5/10 at 11:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by turbodisplay
You would think they would have a valve just over the site it comes out of the ground, and a plan.
We have a team of poeple who spend all day doing nothing, ready to deploy if a sub gets into trouble, you would think a petrol company would have the same forward planning?


Darren


There is a valve at the top of the well... but they cant get it to close....

I get the feeling that oil companies are so in it for the proffit they have sort of given up on actually giving a monkeys.... hopefully this will put the fear of god back into them and they might actually start investing the huge proffits in something useful!


adithorp - 28/5/10 at 11:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by turbodisplay
You would think they would have a valve just over the site it comes out of the ground, and a plan.
We have a team of poeple who spend all day doing nothing, ready to deploy if a sub gets into trouble, you would think a petrol company would have the same forward planning?


Darren


They can I believe but then they contract out the drilling to the lowest bidder and don't check why they're cheap. Could it be because they're going to cut a few corners? Who cares, they're just happy to increase there profits.


Blackbird Rush - 28/5/10 at 11:35 AM

Shame Red Adair is not still with us...


splitrivet - 28/5/10 at 11:37 AM

Im bothered when these things die out at our hands thats it for good.
As for Bruce Willis blowing up Asteroids he didnt really that was pretend, sorry to give you the bad news but I'd hate to see you go through life labouring under a mishapprehension also Royal mail have never had an employee named Pat that rides around with a black and white cat sorry.
Cheers,
Bob


RedAvon - 28/5/10 at 11:51 AM

International Rescue should have been called in much earlier - surely they are real?

Thunderbirds have all the kit for this type of disaster - FAB


scootz - 28/5/10 at 11:54 AM

I would have preferred for Team America (World Police) to have swung into action!


mrwibble - 28/5/10 at 11:56 AM

i want a sabre toothed fish for tea


balidey - 28/5/10 at 11:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mrwibble
i want a sabre toothed fish for tea

They're a bit oily..... well now they are


hughpinder - 28/5/10 at 12:06 PM

Apparently the current chairman of BP (in the post for 4 years I think) has gone on record as saying that the problems BP have are down to 15 years of being run by an accountant - 20 years ago BP was one of the worlds best engineering companies. Since then they have been farming out jobs to the cheapest bidder, saving money by employing cheaper less qualified 'engineers' or getting production supervisors to take over engineering tasks etc... In the sunday times a couple of weeks ago he said they had lost over 60% of their engineers (while the company has expanded) and he had doubts as to wheather they still had the engineering capabilites to solve their problemsthey have!(they have corroded/leaky pipes in canada/alaska and several other big problems worldwide)

Hugh


whitestu - 28/5/10 at 12:35 PM

quote:

They're a bit oily..... well now they are



Oily fish is supposed to be good for you!


RK - 28/5/10 at 12:48 PM

All companies like to make money. They don't like to spend it. Sound familiar to anyone? No loyalties, no nickel spent, unless it has been scrutinised to the end by a large team of accountants.

It is extremely sad, and easy as it is to blame BP, all the big oil companies are in the same boat, so I doubt anyone else would have done it differently. It is nothing short of a disaster. You are lucky nothing on that scale has happened in the North Sea - yet. I hope they stop drilling off Newfoundland before it happens there. And they have talked about doing it off British Columbia. I would go to war to stop that. Become like those looney Americans with their private militias etc.


mrwibble - 28/5/10 at 01:21 PM

i think in all seriousness this was caused by ignoring simple warnings from test results, and a "it'll be ok" attitude.


loggyboy - 28/5/10 at 02:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
surely some of the blame as to be the consumer, i.e. you dear reader* - since we all want out petrol to be a cheap as possible.

* note I exclude myself as I get my petrol from Tesco



Where do tesco get their oil/petrol?


Peteff - 28/5/10 at 02:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
surely some of the blame as to be the consumer, i.e. you dear reader* - since we all want out petrol to be a cheap as possible.

* note I exclude myself as I get my petrol from Tesco


Where do tesco get their oil/petrol?


They make it from baby seals don't they ?


gottabedone - 28/5/10 at 03:08 PM

I'm bothered as well

Long gone are the days when business included customer satisfaction, care for the environment, good service were all important factors in business. Nowadays too much business is about the profit margin and the things that slip to create the profit are all of the above Look how often these big companies post "record profits" - at what cost is that profit though?


mcerd1 - 28/5/10 at 05:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by turbodisplay
You would think they would have a valve just over the site it comes out of the ground, and a plan.


I don't know exactly what they had in this case, but they normally do have valves - at least 3 of them, they are called 'blow out preventers' [BOP's]



ofcouse every now and then they all fail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowout_preventer#Deepwater_Horizon_blowout

[Edited on 28/5/2010 by mcerd1]

[Edited on 28/5/2010 by mcerd1]


matt_claydon - 28/5/10 at 05:34 PM

This is a really interesting video that goes into a bit more technical detail about what's going on down there - much more informative than the usual news waffle.

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm


Simon - 28/5/10 at 07:58 PM

Bothered, probably. The world will recover. Given the plastic pollution in the Pacific and Atlantic gyres, and the thoroughly insignificant size of this spill, I've got other things to worry about.

The only reason anyone cares is cos Obama is doing the typical sanctimonious American claptrap going on about American jobs and American people. He seems to have forgotten the world outside (like all american presidents do, except when they make out they saved the world).

Given that the US is one of the heaviest users of oil on the planet, I think his rhetoric is rather hypocritical and he'd be better of seeing what the great us of a can do to help rather than come up with artificial ways of increasing the cost of oil.

Remember Exxon etc !

ATB

Simon


spaximus - 28/5/10 at 09:34 PM

BP have had a hard time but there are reasons. All of the problems they have had in the states are on ex Amoco facilities. The american workers have allegedly not been hot on safety in thses sites. The company operating the well is not owned by BP. When the Exxon Valdis spilt all the oil in Alaska there wasn't the same anger from the Americans then. The reason this is so focused is that Obama can make an issue of it. I care for several reasons, the main one for me is that every pension fund in the UK has lots of Shares in BP, how low this will go will depend on how much pressure is put on BP by Obama.


Ninehigh - 29/5/10 at 03:39 PM

Obama has made an issue of it, he's said it's his problem.

I'm bothered because who do you think is going to pay for it? Well not me because I know Morrison's get their petrol from shell but that's not the point