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Who wants an IPHONE when it does this!!!

wilkingj - 21/4/11 at 08:35 AM

Well I wouldnt have one, especially after reading this.

Linky

carpmart - 21/4/11 at 08:41 AM

George Orwell was right!

flak monkey - 21/4/11 at 08:54 AM

Any mobile phone is a pretty good tracker. Can pinpoint your location within 100yds or so if its turned on...

Mr Whippy - 21/4/11 at 09:03 AM

quote:
Originally posted by carpmart
George Orwell was right!

Yeah and government departments have openly admitted they search for key words in emails sent over the internet in the name of anti terrorism. All kind of depends on who at the time they call a terrorist though...

Looks kind of bad tbh, number plate recognition, face recognition, seems we are falling into a police controlled state after all. Next will be the hidden microphones to pick up key words spoken in public places or have they already got that too?

femster87 - 21/4/11 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by flak monkey
Any mobile phone is a pretty good tracker. Can pinpoint your location within 100yds or so if its turned on...

I know lool, and it has been for a few years now. Thats why I find this kind of articles funny, with subtle undertones. no doubt it would affect sales a little bit

Miks15 - 21/4/11 at 09:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by femster87

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Any mobile phone is a pretty good tracker. Can pinpoint your location within 100yds or so if its turned on...

I know lool, and it has been for a few years now. Thats why I find this kind of articles funny, with subtle undertones. no doubt it would affect sales a little bit

The point is the iphone and ipad actually makes a little database in the phone which you can then see exactly where it was at any time. Not just being able to track it at the moment in time. You could see where it was at 8.55 on 4 december 2010 if i understood it correctly

Mr Whippy - 21/4/11 at 09:19 AM

wait till they fit a camera to the ipad, then it will be saving images to be uploaded too

v8kid - 21/4/11 at 09:49 AM

Well they are welcome to track my movements- must be sad barstewards to want to though!
What are you guys doing that is so interesting that it has to be secret?

Cheers!

Miks15 - 21/4/11 at 09:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by v8kid
Well they are welcome to track my movements- must be sad barstewards to want to though!
What are you guys doing that is so interesting that it has to be secret?

Cheers!

If i told you i would have to kill you!

Well i dont have an iphone so you cant track where ive been anyway!

mangogrooveworkshop - 21/4/11 at 10:03 AM

It was that very technology andy trusty nokia 5800 that saved me finding out the hardway
It amazed me what I was able to see hear and track.
It's scary what is out there and its not expensive.

The iPhone is not the problem simply connect to iTunes and encrypt the backup.

The tom-tom does the same yep any sat navi unit has track info can't remember the file ext but I ext
racted it and it gave a flythru on goggle earth

By the way the iPhone is a better computer than a phone

mangogrooveworkshop - 21/4/11 at 10:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Any mobile phone is a pretty good tracker. Can pinpoint your location within 100yds or so if its turned on...

Think you have posted one to many zeros
On that

scudderfish - 21/4/11 at 10:14 AM

Tracking is fundamental to how mobiles work. When you get an incoming call, the mobile operator needs to know what cell tower to send it to so your phone will receive it. The phone, in turn, knows what tower(s) it is currently talking to. Simple bit of signal strength and trig will get you a very localised position, particularly within built up areas.

coyoteboy - 21/4/11 at 10:26 AM

I don't understand why anyone cares for the most part, unless you're up to something dodgy. People know roughly where I am most of the time anyway, only have to sit outside to figure out when I'm at work and when I'm not, when I'm on holiday and when I'm not. Only now they have to make a piece of software to lift that info off my PC retrospectively <shrug>

blakep82 - 21/4/11 at 10:28 AM

ok, so the phone/pad stores this file on its own memory... then what? if it stays there, then theres no problem!

another overblown conspirancy paranoia bollox

[Edited on 21/4/11 by blakep82]

nick205 - 21/4/11 at 10:49 AM

quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
ok, so the phone/pad stores this file on its own memory... then what? if it stays there, then theres no problem!

another overblown conspirancy paranoia bollox

[Edited on 21/4/11 by blakep82]

I think the issue people will frown upon is the potential retrieval and use of this file by Apple or another party. In reality, the intended use is probably largely commercial with Apple and others wanting to make their advertising and PR ever more targetted and user specific. We already see this with web adverts which can be tailored to what you've been searching for or looking at on the web.

On balance I'm of the same opinion as you (and others) that I'm not going places or doing things I shouldn't be so who give's a hoot. I would object to being targetted with more and more advertising though.

Not wanting to get all philosiphical (sp?), but IMHO it's a strong indication of how unbalanced the world has become. The encumbent model built on increasing consupmtion and growth will drive companies and organisations to keep refining and developing their strategies for selling more and more stuff.

franky - 21/4/11 at 11:30 AM

They can't tell where you are to a spot, they can just tell what cell area you're in, the cell size depends on where you are and how many possible users there are.

A1 - 21/4/11 at 12:00 PM

i dont like it, cause i dont like the idea that anyone knows where i am, whether or not im doing something wrong, its nobodys business where i am but my own.

must say, i dont like this bloody nanny state

mcerd1 - 21/4/11 at 12:30 PM

knowing apple they'll use the data to prove you warranty is invalid

just like all the little tell tale devices they put in there stuff to see oif you've dropped it, got it wet and so on......

beagley - 21/4/11 at 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by A1
i dont like it, cause i dont like the idea that anyone knows where i am, whether or not im doing something wrong, its nobodys business where i am but my own.

must say, i dont like this bloody nanny state

Exactly the reason why they shouldn't be allowed to do what they are doing. Regardless if you're not doing anything wrong it seems people are happy to give up their rights without much thought.

Ninehigh - 21/4/11 at 05:05 PM

Wait until your junk folder looks like an advertising diary of your week...

Also I can almost guarantee this won't work the other way, I can't see anyone getting off a murder charge because their iphone states they were 50 miles away going home from work at the time.

MakeEverything - 22/4/11 at 08:50 AM

No-one has picked up that it records SPEED as well. It wont be long before someone is done for speeding, by confiscation of their iPhone.

Mobile phones are tracked all the time. Every mobile phone company has a police liaison unit which carries this out for them. It has been used for safety reasons in the past, such as the first Tsunami and earthquakes that hit a few years back. they can be triangulated (the same way they used to triangulate RF signals during the war) to within 5m of the position.

scudderfish - 22/4/11 at 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by MakeEverything
No-one has picked up that it records SPEED as well. It wont be long before someone is done for speeding, by confiscation of their iPhone.

Mobile phones are tracked all the time. Every mobile phone company has a police liaison unit which carries this out for them. It has been used for safety reasons in the past, such as the first Tsunami and earthquakes that hit a few years back. they can be triangulated (the same way they used to triangulate RF signals during the war) to within 5m of the position.

I've been loking at the source code of the apps that use the db (I don't have an iPhone so I don't have a db to check myself), but I can't see any mention of a speed being stored. You could infer it from position and timestamp, but with insufficient accuracy for prosecution.

MikeFellows - 22/4/11 at 10:49 AM

here are my thoughts on the matter

mobile phone companies can do this and do, do this. but that information is stored securely and only really accessed with a court order/police

encrypting your backups is great, but the data still remains on the device unencrypted.

not so long ago it was possible to get root access to an iphone with a web page. if a similar 'feature' where to appear, just accessing a web site on the device would allow access to the data.

the device uses mast triangulation to work out where you are, this system uses much less power than GPS so thats what apple is using. this system isnt 100% accurate and will give a few weird readings so the data couldnt be used for any sort of accurate measurements such as speed and any sort of pin point accuracy. but its certainly enough to say you where in a particular area at a particular time.

within an hour I reckon I could easily write a program that if i plugged your ios device into a pc could harvest the data in a few secs, it wouldnt be difficult to make a hardware device to do it either.

with regards to the privacy issue. privacy to me isnt about single datasets such as this, its when you start tying multiple datasets together (something I do regularly but not with personal information).

lets say I take this data, your personal details, address, work place, tax details, benefit details, bank information, cctv data, traffic camera data, vehicle data, internet logs, emails and tie it all together. with some small improvements in technology I would be able to track you live anywhere, see if you do something you shouldnt be, see if your not paying the taxes you should or over claiming benefits, I would know when you went for a shit and adjust your insurance accordingly, send you a fine in the post as you hit 33 in a 30 for 4.2 seconds.

privacy is a real concern with the technology that is now available and people should be fighting for it before it gets out of hand

I currently use an iphone. its going on Tuesday because of this, Im fancying a samsung galaxy s 2, an android phone that has source code available that I know what its doing.

Rod Ends - 22/4/11 at 11:01 AM

If you buy an Apple product your giving money to Al Gore!

David Jenkins - 22/4/11 at 11:10 AM

According to this article, the US police are already routinely getting location data from iPhones...