Scumbag lotto winner link
It has been said that all his victims can now sue him!
They ought to share it out among his victims and charge him rent for all his time inside. What was he doing out on licence anyway?
i dont understand the fuss.
anyone that buys a ticket for the lottery can win, wether they are a good person or a total a$$hole.
I bet a lot of unpleasant wife beaters, dole scroungers, robbers, liers, etc have won.
Hes out on w/e's, so hes nearly released. He was sold a ticket, as same as anyone. So if he wins is it a problem?
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steve
ps - hadnt he done 12 years? nowadays thats more than you get for genocide 
[Edited on 11/8/04 by stephen_gusterson]
He will probably be able to get a better lawyer next time and get off!
You are talking b"#l#ks Steve!
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Originally posted by Cita
You are talking b"#l#ks Steve!
steve is probably playing devils advocate, but he's not far from the truth! the guy has been moved to a high security prison cos of fears he will
do a runner. IIRC he is regarded as a current danger, hence he might still be locked up for some time anyway. And you do get less than 12 years
realtime for murders, after parole.
the issue is, he's a c**t, doesnt deserve the money really. But who does? its a mugs game in my books anyway...
btw - 8 years or so for murder in the UK isnt unusual for a first offence
Joel - you are right, partly I am,
but my basic issue is how do you regulate WHO can do the lottery.....
if he cant do it as a rapist about to leave prison, can he once his sentance is spent?
cos if hes not fit to do the lottery, perhaps the more important issue is that he shouldnt be let out.
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steve
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Originally posted by JoelP
steve is probably playing devils advocate, but he's not far from the truth! the guy has been moved to a high security prison cos of fears he will do a runner. IIRC he is regarded as a current danger, hence he might still be locked up for some time anyway. And you do get less than 12 years realtime for murders, after parole.
the issue is, he's a c**t, doesnt deserve the money really. But who does? its a mugs game in my books anyway...
If Mr Geoffrey Archer bought a lottery ticket whilst he was "on prison leave" and won, should he claimed the money?
He spent very little time in prison even when he should have been locked up... so chances of him winning were proportionally higher than the
rapists!!!
It's the system at fault - not the person. I'd wager the law gets altered very soon anyway, to prevent this happening again.
I understand what you all are saying but it's not because "it's the law" that it is right.
Accoring to the law the judge who convicted Mr. Harding for warning speed violaters a while ago,was probably in legal power of giving such a
punishment,yet everybody,including you Steve, commeneted that this was wrong.
Hitler never signed ONE document or law in which was stated that jews must be killed during WW II nor did he explicitly ever said in public to kill
jews,he "only" talked about "solving the problem".
Technically speaking he cannot be considered as responsible for the holcaust?
My English is not good enough to explain this in a better way but yes it is not right that an actor now becomes a star and making big money after
killing a person,even if he "did his time".
We have managed to believe that he who commited a crime is also a victim and should be threated as such with all the benefits of it.
That rapist now has more than a second chance to lead a "good life" thanks to the lotery tickets bought by millions of good people probably
including the victims.
It is not right that he even had the chance to enter this game during his sentence let alone be enjoying his price for the rest of his life.
All this IMHO of course.
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... or runs over puppies ...
cita
you dont understand the principle of punishment under english law.
people are put in prison so that society can extract revenge, and the person can pay their debt back to society, and to re-educate them as a
person.
If you commit a crime, and do the time, then your slate is 'clean'. Unless its things like a sexual or offence against children, when you
are put on a register and monitored.
A bank robber or whatever, who kills, might get 25 - 30 years. Once he's out, hes a normal member of society.
Why should he not get a ticket and win?
What, when he's out and his rich relative dies and leaves him a 1m dollar house, happens then? Is he prohibited from being a rich person
forever?
The news today is that blunket, home secretary, want to stop people in prison winning the lottery and keeping the money. If they do, then they have to
pay it into a fund.
duuuuHHHH
so you are gonna buy a ticket if you know you cant keep the money?
This scheme is also going to be used to apply to the convicts families too.
So, mr bloggs goes into prison for killing his neighbour over a garden fence (its happened). Mrs bloggs and her 4 kids have to live on social. She
wins the lottery, but has to give the money back....
is that fair? bollox is it.
limiting a convicts ability to win the lottery will stop him buying a ticket as he knows the money wont be his.
so the whole thing becomes a waste of time.
This is an unfortunate situation, where its spun into a major story by the press, and reactive govenrnment sees a chance to jump on the bandwagon by
bringing in pointless legislation.
The press would go just as nuts if he won 3 years after his 30 year sentance.
its all stuff and nonsence I think.
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steve
I would have to say that he is quite entitled to buy a ticket and win as much as anyone else is. Nobody should be able to stop him as the lottery has
nothing to do with his crime. If his crime was that he had defruaded the lottery fund out of a load of money then it would be a different matter.
The thing is though, these people are horrible scumbags, so although they are quite entitled to win it, it has to be expected that the general public
will be happy to see them lose all the cash if they do win it. I hope the victims or their relatives get it. This guy might have paid his debt to
society in general, but now it's time to pay his debt to the people he has hurt.
A senior judge yesterday said (on the news) there may be a case for making him hand over a large proportion of the money to his victims..
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Originally posted by protofj
A senior judge yesterday said (on the news) there may be a case for making him hand over a large proportion of the money to his victims..
I have to say I think I agree with Steve.
The problem is- where do you draw the line? If, when he was on day release he'd gone to a pub and played on the frutties and won should he hand
that over aswell?
Where do you draw the line? Just the lottery or the football pools aswell? Ban people from gambling all together? Stop them buying Premium Bonds? No
fruit machines? Ban them from the Bingo hall? That's gambling aswell at the end of the day.
Or do you just put a financial limit on it? Up to a million is ok but above that you give it away?
Would you ban them 'gambling' on the stock market?
That reactionary prick Blunkett is now on about stopping the families of convicts winning aswell. So what, if my evil black-sheep brother murders
someone I have to give away my lottery win do I?
Or maybe you could base it on the crime- guilty of some crimes like rape, murder etc. you can't buy a lottery ticket? Maybe it could be done with
a form you fill in when you buy a ticket? Bit like when you fly to America: Are you a member of a terrorist organisation? Did you murder some kids?
etc. etc.
Don't get me wrong- I don't want someone who's clearly a psycho (and is probably a danger to society when let out) having loads of
money. But at the end of the day he got lucky and it's tough sh!t on the rest of us.
If you start saying he's gotta pay compensation then you start a precident where richer convicts end up being punished more than poor ones. So,
if I've got some savings and I go to prison I get a worse punishment (because I have to pay compensation) than the penniless guy that's
commited the same crime.
James
totally agree james.
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steve
What can i say,you all seem to feel that it's right and i think it's wrong.
That's all there is to it.
Quote" When a person commits a crime they choose not to be a part of our society! Why should we then share our hopes and dreams! "Unquote
I agree with James and Stephen.
It does suck but there's simply no fair way of stopping someone with the means to buy a ticket from winning.
However, I think that maybe if you are convicted criminal serving a custodial sentence it might be reasonable to restrict your rights to such pay
outs. They day you're let out you have as much chance and right as anyone else though. After all prison is about punishment and restricting your
right to win millions of pounds seems fair in that situation.
I'm sure plenty of real rotters have won large sums and that's just tough on the rest of us.
Capital punishment should sort this out, kill all the bad guys then they won't be able to buy a ticket 
I think he shouldn't have been 'out' in the first place as he's still serving a sentence. Once he's out, he can do as he
pleases as a free man and member of society.
I'm puzzled with most of the people who reply on this.
The scumbag is on weekend during his sentence,buys a ticket and wins the lotery-the law is the law.
A judge concluded mr Harding broke the law and gives him a sentence,way out of line,but the law is the law.
In Mr Harding's case everybody on this forum,including me, concluded that Mr. Harding did not deserve a punishment,even if it was the law.
In the rapist's case everybody jumps on the support wagon by saying the law is the law,why?
i think it seems odd cos its two different situations. mr hardings case was an incompetent prosecution (petty even), a foolish judge and an excessive
sentance.
this case is complicated because its a grey area. IMHO nobody deserves a lottery win, its a crap form of wealth redistribution. 70% ish gets spent on
all sorts of useless stuff. though i would appreciate bags of dosh, i wouldnt want to win it on the lotto. why do i deserve a few quid off everyone in
the country? i havent done anything noble to deserve it. fair enough if its earned honestly, but gambling sucks, completely.
as for this piece of scum, there isnt a legal solution for his situation. rehab is apparently impossible. Prison is about protecting the public and
reforming people, not about getting revenge. As such, this guy should be serving a genuine life sentance. Hence, the error is in the initial sentance,
not the fact that he's been out and won buckets full of cash. had he not won the lotto, barely anyone would even know that this bastard was
wandering out and about in a society that would be better without him.
The guy has server 14 years - pretty high for rape, which is seldom more than 8 years. Hes soon to be released (which as Joel says, could be wrong in
itself) - hence hes in an open jail with weekends out. The rules allow him to buy a ticket. So, there is no problem. As the law stands.
Mr Harding, although we have sympathy with him, was basically stupid. I think its pretty well known in the UK that flashing your lights to warn of
police presence is illegal. Harding stood with a friiggin big sign warning drivers. So, he broke the law, he got a sentance.
rapist got 14+ years. did (almost) his time.
harding broke the law, and paid his price too.
what cant you understand about that?
both broke 'the law' both got a sentance.
the crux is, the rapist could be out in a month, for all we know.
would you be any more happy if he won the day after he came out?
harding gets more sympathy, cos he could have been warning us. The rapist gets less, cos it could have been your sister.
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steve
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steve
PS - there was an interview on the radio today with police who arrested the rapist on an earlier offence when he was 14 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!
Blunkett doesnt want him to be a lottery winner, and will legislate. The fact hes a repeat rapist about to be let out is ok then. Its totally fcuked.
Stop thinking about the lottery shyte and think more about why he's being let out!!!!!
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Originally posted by Cita
I'm puzzled with most of the people who reply on this.
The scumbag is on weekend during his sentence,buys a ticket and wins the lotery-the law is the law.
A judge concluded mr Harding broke the law and gives him a sentence,way out of line,but the law is the law.
In Mr Harding's case everybody on this forum,including me, concluded that Mr. Harding did not deserve a punishment,even if it was the law.
In the rapist's case everybody jumps on the support wagon by saying the law is the law,why?
I dont want this to turn into a personal debate Steve.
You made your view clear and i respect that opinion.
nothing personal Cita.
I just dont understand what you are saying.
what are you saying? .... clearly.
In say 20 words.
Mine are :
If the rules allow it, and hes served his time, whats the problem. A$$holes do sometimes get the breaks.
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steve
quote:
Originally posted by Cita
I dont want this to turn into a personal debate Steve.
You made your view clear and i respect that opinion.
if the rules allow it than the rules are wrong and there's no need to defend such rules for this criminal Steve.
(sorry 22 words)
ok
which rule?
the one that lets him win
or the one that says a repeat rapist can get out?
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steve
with respect to "lottery scum", legislating against groups of society being able to enter lotteries and such is a minefield because it has
to be decided where to draw the line. its such a minefield that i would be very surprised to see the current laws changed much.
i does feel wrong that someone could win £7 mil whilst at her madges pleasure. but do you prevent people with criminal records from playing or just
people with custodial sentences????????? it goes on, there is no simple answer
The rule that allows him to buy a lotery ticket will still doing time.
I'm gonna go to bed now Steve it's almost 1 o clock overhere
Perhaps till tommorow
sweet dreams.
I thought that would be your answer.
And I agree with you. Perhaps a convict in release phase shouldnt be allowed to gamble. but they are.
But dont you think the more important issue is repeat rapists loose on the streets?
rapist wins lottery
or
rapist strikes third time.
which is the worst headline?
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steve
quote:
Originally posted by Cita
The rule that allows him to buy a lotery ticket will still doing time.
I'm gonna go to bed now Steve it's almost 1 o clock overhere
Perhaps till tommorow
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3557372.stm
an extract.....
Writing in Thursday's Sun newspaper, the Home Secretary David Blunkett said: "We can't stop a prisoner or their family from buying a
ticket, but we can look closely at making sure they don't benefit from a single penny while in prison.
ahh. right. nice thinking. So, there's no driving his ferrari around the excercise yard then, or spending 7 mill on ciggies or summat. Exactly
how is he gonna spend it in prison!
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steve
ps
the giveaway....
Home Office minister Hazel Blears denied Mr Blunkett's proposal for a new law was a knee-jerk reaction or that he was trying to be populist.
pps
Hoare, 52, and originally from Leeds, is serving life after being convicted of attempted rape in 1989. He was also jailed several times for a string
of sex attacks, including rape, during the 1970s and 1980s.
and we worry about the lottery win.....
[Edited on 12/8/04 by stephen_gusterson]
they should of locked him, up, and chucked a way the key, in the 1st place, a rapist, should b locked up 4 life, full stop
if they let him out he should be tagged permanantly as well as chemical castration
The worst headline would be:
"Rapist rapes 15 year old child after being released from jail.
He fled the country to Argentina where he's living the life of a free wealthy man."
(do you think there is a job available at the sunday times for me Steve?)
It's wrong that he who gave so many people a life sentence (not only the victim's but their family as well) can benefit of everyday's
joys of life like participating in a lotery and have the chance to be financialy secure for the rest of his life.
I wouldn't be suprised if he's sued for compensation as soon as he set's foot outside prison! With any luck he won't see much of
his winnings!
Bitter? Moi?
cita - you dont seem to understand the basics
once he's out of prison, its all over, he owes nothing to society.
he can win the lottery, get a free house from his rich granny, or become a successful business man.
and still have lots of money.
he could go with 'average' money to somewhere like thailand and shag little kids with far less then 7m i suspect.
you are confusing continual retribution with 'justice' and 'fairness' with 'real life'.
LIFE ISNT FAIR.
And yes, a good headline
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steve
quote:
Originally posted by Cita
The worst headline would be:
"Rapist rapes 15 year old child after being released from jail.
He fled the country to Argentina where he's living the life of a free wealthy man."
(do you think there is a job available at the sunday times for me Steve?
It's wrong that he who gave so many people a life sentence (not only the victim's but their family as well) can benefit of everyday's joys of life like participating in a lotery and have the chance to be financialy secure for the rest of his life.
I am probably very daft Steve.
i might point out that our prison system is woefully inadequate. It is a largely useless institution. If someone is considered an untreatable menace to society, they should be killed. if there is a chance or rehabilitation, they should be helped. Prison, to me, isnt about paying a debt to society. Many fools end up in prison and become true delinquants, with a life of crime ahead. it is, IMHO, a sorry state of affairs.
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Originally posted by Cita
I am probably very daft Steve.
It's against the law for a prisoner to buy a pools coupon whether he/she is inside or on day release. The law does not cover the lotto. He should never have been allowed to buy, but know he has won the money the only way to get it of him is if the people/family of his victims sue for damages.
Ok now its time for my six pence worth.
The system stinks. The lottery system in this country is run purley for the bennefit of the rich elite that are running it. Witness, when the licence
was up for renewal, the government ignored all the shortcommings that had been brought to light about its current opperators and renewed their licence
to print money for themselves, eventhough there was a better system being proffered by another which would have kept less profit, increased the
ammount of prizes and given more to TRUELY deserving causes.
The law & punishment is ridiculous, a prisoner is given a LIFE sentence, he is elligible for release after 12/14 years. WHY, Life should mean
exactly that LIFE. If you don't like the punisment then DON'T DO THE CRIME.
Now to absurdities, every tax payer has contributed to keeping these toerags in prison, in a life of ease and relative comfort, no tax to pay, no
council tax to pay, no utilities to pay, no heating to pay for, no food to pay for, INSTANT medical care no matter what time of the day, no problem
finding a DENTIST, and absolutely no charge for dentistry, 3 square meals, good exercise regimes, tv, video, games, no charge for adult education
programmes, heck even a degree if you want (at no charge). then you get to go out close to release and you are GIVEN some spending money, I wonder
where that money came from.
Yes a minefield of sh*t. Camelot caused all this when they accepted his pound. just like they accept everyone elses. The part that I find hard to
swallow is that he , like the young lout who won 16m (whilst wearing a tag for vehicle crimes) is that they both won it with state handouts ie OUR
MONEY. Money to help them with the basics in life NOT for gambling.
We the general public are being ripped off left, right & centre by those in power who are busy lining their own pockets against the storm that
will no doubt be coming. So there you go I've had my say. Steve, or anyone else if you want to pick the bones out of it feel free this is a FREE
society and to put it bluntly I really couldn't give a sh%t any more. Besides the thought police will be around to arrest me on Thursday.
ENJOY
actually Jolly, there isnt too much Id disagree with, apart for the 'come the revolution' bit.
people are just too daft to get off their asses. we are after all the nation that elected maggie and her crew 4 times, and will put nanny blair back a
third time.
The other thing is that even with all the frebies you state, the total lack of freedom (or even lack of females!) for that time doesnt make up for a
bean of it.
would you take that deal for 12 years as long as you were celebate
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steve