Ive been seriously pulling my hair out recently over modern music 90% is crap

would someone kindly explain to me how half of them get recording contracts because it beats me
like that new family band that sung with boy george on jonathan ross and they won the bloody music award apparently

OMG thats the shittest singing ive heard how can they win anything

and as for madonna(I know shes been around a bit longer)

I saw her live on a TV documnetary all those people screaming at her thousand sin the crowd were they seeing some thing different because she sounds like a man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I went to see the four tops and the Temptations the other night

it was a 7,000 sell out mostly under 30's Id say,,

you can see why MOTOWN was the Hit factory
If you want to see some proper singers sing some of the most famous songs ever
(that arent forgotten unlike modern music)they sound exactly like on the records..

there vocal talents are second to none and can not be competed against by todays crop of shite(bar 1 or two)#

rant over

chris

Im now off to listen to DIDO featuring KAtie MEyluiliyaaahhhhh

Ive colaberated it myself

I think ill stick pins in myself and jump off a cliff thats before Ive got two track 2

chris

Don't listen to it then!!!

Download it from the internet and enjoy the 99.9% of the other great music out there. The X-Factor has a lot to answer for though... "some people" vote for individuals to stay - then when they win they are not seen or heard of again. Just goes to show how little we know about what we really want!

Can anyone name all the winners who have not been heard of since? Oh - that would be almost all of them then

Greenday Rock!

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mate you cant exactly get away from it ie radio at work etc etc

Trust me, you're not the only one. There is some good stuff about at the mo, you just have to search for it amongst the crap but of course this depends what you are into. I should have no problem writing a number one with some of the crap that gets to the top of the charts though.

thats exactly what I mean

I did a gig with one of the x factor contestants last night. He got down to the last 10 in the last series. He's an awesome singer but he reckons he only got to the last 10 because he was arguing with Simon Cowell and it made good TV. He says that some of the best singers he's ever heard went out of it in the first round and yet Steve Brookstein who is an average pub singer wins it! Where is he now? Says it all really!
There is good music around at the moment but unfortunately it's never played on the radio because they are paid by the record companies to play the same four records every day!
I mean if I'd written that Madonna track I'd have been laughed at. It's only because of who she is that it gets airplay and she didn't get where she is from writing her own songs. In fact ever since she has started writing her own stuff it's been rubbish, but she's established now so she can get away with anything!
I regularly work with great vocalists and songwriters who should be up there at the top but they won't get there because the public are manipulated by the media and the record companies. If people were to wake up and refuse to be spoon fed this dross and were to make an effort to seek out the real music and real talent that is out there then these talentless so called musicians and popstars would disappear and make way for the people who actually deserve to be recognised.
But it won't happen because the general public are gullible and daft!
Cheers
Jon

Yep, modern music sucks big time. Give me 70s and 80s rock any day. 80% of the music I listen to was made before I was even born, but that was only '86 so no big deal.

Have to throw a partial spanner in the works.

I think there is a lot of good music out there but its all down to personal taste.

Out clubbing last night and I've come to realise i hate what is now termed R'n'B.

ITS UTTER RUBBISH!

My friends on the other hand seemed to love it. Earlier on they had some (i assume it is i'm terrible remembering what's what) eurphoric trance and i was loving it. At the end of the night it was christmas cheese and again i was loving it.

If you want to try something different i can throughly reconmend Wir Sind Helden. German band but amazing live and they've done a couple of good albums.

At the end of the day people buy what they buy, radio stations play what they're paid to play, idustry folks push what'll make 'em the money for the lowest outlay.
Many so-called credible 'artists' are either pushed or worst still pushers, big names like maddona, u2, try not to hate the x-factor one hit wonders because although their songs are s***e they are only exploited in the same way as the poor saps who spend good money on it.
People should only expect to find what they want from music if they are actually prepared to indulge themselves, and what i mean by that is don't expect to see or hear anything worth a damn on any kind of chart show bacause any performer worth their salt doesnt hand over all the rights to a record firm and therefore the record firm isn't interested in giving them any exposure. The only artists who get the exposure they deserve are the ones who do the legwork, performing countless gigs and getting all their own exposure through actually being good, practicing their craft and lifting their listeners out of the kind of chart-induced coma that you guys are refering to. It's not about musical style or taste, motown isn't better than punk isn't better than electro, isnt better than folk or whatever, that kind of talk is pointless. What matters (if music ever really matters [bet that gets someone going]) is that we don't follow suit and just listen to Moyles or whoever just because it's an easy station to find.
Whatever music you can want or imagine is out there. Plenty of music that you might dismiss will become awesome and inspiring if you really listen.
If you really only like The Four Tops then you are quite lucky as all their music is easily obtainable on cd so bung it in your player and sing your self stupid instead of getting upset with the plasticons on the radio!!

Rant over. Sorry

Whilst on one hand i agree that most of the music is utter crap, x-factor etc.
I think that there has been some fantastic bands this year, kaiser chiefs, Daniel powter, magic numbers.
we need to get away from the manufactured artists and start trawling the pubs and clubs for acts, Bands that have experienced life travelling around the country in a transit van

I think things are the same as they always have been apart from way to much X-Factor-esque stuff.

The stuff that we like from yonks ago, was the best of it's time. The contemporary stuff that's any good will also stand up over time.

The hyperbole surrounding it will always remain while people opt to listen to radio stations that choose to push it.

The public gets what the public wants! Now there's an old track.

Cheers,

Neil.

I think cover versions get on my tits the most!

I think maddona`s time is up when she has to resort to using abbas music to get in to the charts. Same for a lot of other artists.....
Not a lot of original music to be had....
A lot of the rap gets to me......cant they sing and they always have booty and chaved up cars with chaved up pups in there videos.

Gorrilas are great a breath of fresh air....

R & B - that's wot get's me most - it's such UTTER talentless crap. And what gets me the most is how did they get to hijack the name R & B. A few years ago when I hung out in pubs a lot, R & B was three of four guys playing 'Blues Brothers' style music, I remember one particular band in Brighton like this called 'Otis Lift and the Elevators' - totally excellent entertainment.

Anybody describing themselves as an R & B singer today should be taken 'out the back' and shot, starting with Craig David. Luckily my daughter has grown out of him now at the age of 12 and is more in the Chilli Peppers, Eminem and Green Day. She keeps talking about being a rock/goth chick, so we'll soon get her onto Pearl Jam and Bauhaus....

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Born in '83, but most of the music I listen to is a quite a bit older! A quick look at my playlist..

AC/DC
The Animals
Black Sabbath
The Doors
Guns 'n' Roses
Iron Maiden
Janis Joplin
Jimi Hendrix
Led Zeppelin
ZZ Top

Now I do have a lot of newer songs as well... but I wouldn't buy a CD anymore (mainly because most CD's are rediculously expnsive! No way in hell I'm paying 40 euros for a CD!) The way I see it, artists shouldn't be whining about lost income anyways. It only shows they don't really care about the music. When I really like a band, I wait until they come around for a concert. I'm quite happy to save up and then pay some silly amount to see them live.. it's more fun anyways.

I also like some more 'interesting' music. Corvus Corax tops my list I think when it comes to "new" music. Then there's Hedningarna or Lais... Those are sort of neo-folk bands. The roots of their music usually lies with late medieval songs.. quite interesting. Especially Corvus Corax, their gigs are just plain awesome!

"modern" popular music started in the 50s. It was very basic and not really that good but it was different to what had gone before and young people identified with it as their own.

In the late 60s, established musicians, who weren't very good in their early days, had had a bit of practice and had become quite talented. This was the start of "good" pop music.

The 70s was a mixture of the usual cack plus some really quite tatented people writing thoughtfull stuff, whether you liek their particular style.

This continued into the 80s where musicians music reached its peak, although by then end it had become a bit pretensious.

In about '88, house music started which descended into acid and general 90's tallentless crap. The whole era of the 90's was formulaic 4 bar riffs with 1 line of lyrics repeated until you smashed the radio into tiny pieces. the music industry recruited computer programmers and DJs to write "songs". It was during this time that indy music became popular. There has always been indy music but they were always 2nd rate and so never really sold. Compared with mainstream 90s musicm indy sounded OK as 2nd rate is better than 99th rate.

towards the end of the 90s, actual songs started to appear again with actual lyrics and everything. Now, a proportion of music is writtern and played by real musicians. We do still have to put up with "pop stars" and RnB who are jsut dancers to front corporate cash earners but at least there is some real music to listen to.

There has always been crap in the charts in every era. You think music is bad now? At least we're not in the 90's anymore.

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When I was a teenager back in the sixties my mum used to say "thay call that music" . Things don't always change. Radio 2 seems to play a good selection most days , Haven't listened to radio 1 for about 15years but have found my taste in music has changed I now like some jazz and opera which I couldn't stand before

In my opinion most modern music is st.
Good tracks in my opinion are

Bill withers- a lovely day
Queen-we are the champions
kaisercheifs- i predict a riot
fanze ferdinand etc

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=478065943467099618

Went to see Jools Holland a couple of weeks ago, absolutly fantastic. The band? that gets me spittin teeth is westrife WTF are they all about.

some of these tribute bands could sell out arenas if people realised how good some are

hold on got to disagree, 90's music......

early 90's stone roses etc - fantastic music (perhaps just cause thats when i was doing my 'a' levels).

What i'm curious about is will people who are 18 now in 15 years time think R'n'B is good?

Actually can we start a campaign, here and now, to get R'n'B renamed to something else? Perhaps B'n'R just anything to distingish it from decent music?

I could go on and on, but i've got a headache and am in a bad enough mood already.

mike, you seem to have a similar position to me! we must be a similar age though im guessing, so maybe it makes sense.

I dont often find music i dont like, in fact its usually annoying tunes that really wee me off, rather than bland tunes. That recent sugababe one was truely dreadful... that said, i like most things from metal to sean paul...

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hold on got to disagree, 90's music......
early 90's stone roses etc - fantastic music

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Dunno - there is some good 'pop' music out there now.

Hard-Fi are quite good, a poor mans was description i liked. I'll be interested to hear there second album. If they continue as the first they'll run out of steam around track 4 i'd guess.

Bloc Party are very good. From friends who've seem them live they seem to be better in smaller gigs

KT Tunstall is very tallented. I saw her live about 18 months ago. I was disappointed with the album as live she did everything like "black horse cherry tree". It was too much, but with a good producer it could have made an excellent album.

Wir Sind Helden as i've said. You have to excuse the odd track and perhaps i'm only a fan after a fab concert in a small place in London. In fact it was just a fab evening so...... ignore me.

Madona - haven't heard the new album but i do like the tracks i've heard. I will be buying it.

Katie Melua et al - i do like this music. The problem is one person hit the big time (Joss Stone) so record company AR's signed up everyone similar. Standard business practice ....... can't really complain.

Kaiser Chiefs etc .......... can't help thinking this is mostly in the same vein of music!

born in 81
i really like

Elvis costello
Nick Cave

who i both think are underated.

I saw an interview with Elvis costello regarding the state of british pop. I think it was with Jeremy Vine, anyway he was asked if he thought his music would make it through todays pop climate should he be starting now. He honestly said no it wouldn't, he also said that if he was starting out now it would only be a matter of time before he was up in the clock tower with a rifle!!

He's not everyones cup of tea but theres more to him than Olivers Army

Mike R i don't agree that Katie Meluahhhh
is anything like Joss Stone, I can't stand Joss Stone where as Meluaghghh is really good IMHO

I'm 43 and have seen hundreds of bands over the years from unknown punk bands in '77 through Queen (including the 'We are the Champions' video recording), embryonic U2, AC/DC, Zeppelin etc and am currently enjoying the live spectacular that is Koopa!

http://www.ukbands.net/profile.php?id=15103

I don't have a problem with any music particularly, but recently I've watched Koopa struggle, after continual gigging, to finance their own single and get it up to 40 in the charts. Meanwhile, Son of Dork (James Bourne, Ex-Busted) takes his new band (6 months old) into the ALBUM chart with a clone of New Found Glory even down to the American accents.......
Now that annoys me.

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I don't have a problem with any music particularly, but recently I've watched Koopa struggle, after continual gigging, to finance their own single and get it up to 40 in the charts. Meanwhile, Son of Dork (James Bourne, Ex-Busted) takes his new band (6 months old) into the ALBUM chart with a clone of New Found Glory even down to the American accents.......
Now that annoys me.

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i like a bit of everything...
afterall variety is the spice of life

ok,i came across a little harsh previously. My album collection ranges from trance, to country, to a little jazz to even Elvis singing gospel !!!!

I have listened to some modern R'n'B and some of it is good. But it seems to be 1 song in 100 and when i hear 4 songs one after the other in a club, well, i find something else to do..... like go for a walk, buy a drink anything but dance.

Your just getting too old Mike!!

i like the Elvis "are you lonsome tonight" live...where he cracks up at the female backing singer classic

suspicious minds is my favourite elvis song, brillient live.....

and NS Dev - watch it ...... just cause i'm a little older than you!!! I mean i still like all the euphoric trance stuff, its just R'n'B i can't get on with (ok, i can't even figure out how to dance to it!)

someone said cover versions get on their tits maralin mansons version of tainted love is miles better even the person who recorded the ORIGINAL said it was publicly on mtv lol


its not all new music thats crap it just depends what your into some of the nu metal and other stuff is pretty damn good and there are some extremely talented musicians and singers more so musicians then singers at the moment it seems to me but none the less there is some ghood out there its just not overly popular

theres too much silent c music (c)rap

haha and RnB and bollox like that lol

sytem of a down
blink 182
sum 41
GREENDAY (well theyve been around for 16 years but only popular in the last 2)
korn arent too bad a bit shouty screamy tho
funeral for a freind
queens of the stoneage


plenty of other good stuff

I painted my chassis with Blink 182, oh sorry, that's Zinc 182. I like Green Day and Franz Ferdinand and some of the skate rock bands are nice and loud, I like loud these days because I think angle grinding has knackered my hearing.
http://www.skaterock.com/bands/bands.html

Chris,

The "family" band that sung with J Ross was Anthony and the Johnsons - I have a CD and EP of theirs and whilst the lyrics are a bit strange, the tunes are fantastic.

In fact I reckon I've listened to them more than anything recently.

As for kaiserchiefs, the first hit I thought was a rip off of Tenpole Tudor.

ATB

Simon

don't remember seeing anthony and the johnson's on johnathon ross ...

but i do remember seeing the magic numbers and they are a family band...

they're ok but i prefer something a little darker

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don't remember seeing anthony and the johnson's on johnathon ross ...

but i do remember seeing the magic numbers and they are a family band...

they're ok but i prefer something a little darker

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got the album for christmas, good stuff. DVD would be better though, as their videos kick ass!

i'm not into incest or rituals involving goats or any other farmyard animals
i'll leave that for rebecca loos and some of the folk from certain counties (you know which ones)

but when i said i liked it a bit darker
i meant more gritty...with dirty licks ....
and yes i mean the music,

but i have been known to play the spam castanets