Ok so how do they work. I know that distance over time equals speed but if the cameras were say on a stretch of the M6 south about 25 miles south of Westmoorland services and the speed limit was 50 for roadworks which were on through the day would the camera's be active at night at around 3.30am when there was nothing going on?
Also if you noticed after the speed limit signs that you had not slowed down to 50 quick enough and had passed the second camera and maybe the third camera would this still be one offence or two offences?
Just theoretical of course you understand. Do they take photo's or are they just just npr. If three employees were in the vehicle and no one could remember who was driving at that point and the transport manager could not supply a name to the offence what would happen?
All in theory like I said

IIRC - the transport manager is liable if he/she cannot provide a named driver?

Best thing to do - is find a local refugee or Kosovan - slip him £30 and he'll take the points - that's what we do in P'borough - where we are inundated with them... It's about the only thing they are useful for at the moment :-)

You still have to pay the £60 though - so it ends up being

£90 and 0 points, which is much better than £60 and 3 points

Your call though :-)

[Edited on 16/1/06 by muzchap]

Pretty sure its one offence.

The transport manager has to name the driver who is responsible for the vehicle.

The responsible driver then has to name who was driving the vehicle. If it was a private matter you can get off if you can prove you can't remember (see ex tory Aikten & his wife court case).

With a company car, i'm not sure what the law is as the transport manager is involved and i think he has some legal responsibility.

one offence and those pieces of poo have infra-red cameras on facing you so you will see who was driving, thieving camera quango scum shites.

.................................all of which INFURIATES ME SOOOO MUCH ARGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

WE ARE BEING ROBBED BLIND!!!!!!!!!!

PREVIOUSLY, IF GATSO CAMERAS WERE USED, THERE WOULD BE A SEPERATE OFFENCE PER CAMERA. NOW WITH SPECS IT IS FAIRER IN A WAY AS IT IS AVERAGE SPEED AND ONE OFFENCE.


BUT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........

WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT GOT CAUGHT BY GATSO CAMERAS FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER, WHERE WAS THE CHANGE IN LAW THAT MEANT 3 OFFENCES ARE NOW ONE.............................................................................................................

THESE CAMERAS ARE A FCUKING JOKE, THEY SHOULD ALL BE REMOVED NOW, OR THERE SHOULD BE A MASS VIGILANTE MOVEMENT TO DESTROY THEM.

would be cool to set up a website selling bags to put over gatsos, and have people send in pictures of bagged cameras, potentially could be quite profitable if it took off and would do everyone a favour too.

you gotta love the forwrd facing cameras when you are on a bike, speed through them and flick the bird, quality. a favourite passtime of mine.

So if on that stretch of road there was say 8 cameras and you passed them all at a higher speed you would get £60 plus three points. But if you passed the first and second while cruising from 70 down to 50 you'd still get the points and fine even if you passed the other 7 at the correct speed. Jeez how unsafes that surely its better not to panick brake during busy traffic periods and cause a concertina effect mass pile up. Hold on though that can't happen cause speed cameras are there to make the roads safer.
So if in theory someone gets a ticket will they automatically get the photo that goes with it? or will they have to ask for it first?
I spoke with a guy at work today who got a fine for driving in a bus lane in greater London of £150. He had proof that he clocked out and in from his work place and witnesses to say his car was in the car park all day. He asked for the photo to pass onto the police for evidence that some one was impersonating his car. He got a letter back to say it was a computer error and the matter had been dropped.

By the way I'm with you NSDev it's the first time I've come across these types of camera's. At night it the dark with only a 50mph warning sign and a speed camera sign which up until now has made me look for a refletive square on the back of a gatso etc. And then after about 400 yards a sign that says average speed being monitered or such like and then I twig that these columns I've passed while I've been idling down to 50 are actually fcucking recording me as speeding.
If the average speed between the first and last camera in the set of 8 or so is 50 or less, but at one point it was 55 or more say, will I get a ticket or not. How long can I expect to wait for a ticket? how accurate ar they and who sets up the distances between them etc? is there a margin for error In them to compensate for speedo accuracies etc.
I been driving for 27 years and no fines or points or crashes and not even a parking ticket and now this shoite. I aint no angel like but I've never been caught

ive been done in a company car and its very simple.

The lease company sends the NIP to your company, they then send it back giving you as the named driver. Then you get your copy. The ball is now in your court.


I cant see how your job would be worth attempting to stitch up your company by saying its not you.

The 14 days counts to the first person (lease co or your company) - doesnt matter when you get it. The moment your company gets it.



SPECS works by number plate recognition, and computers dont go to sleep.

atb

steve

a site of vandalised cameras exists, its been posted before.

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

happy now ?



atb

steve

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Originally posted by benji106
would be cool to set up a website selling bags to put over gatsos, and have people send in pictures of bagged cameras, potentially could be quite profitable if it took off and would do everyone a favour too.

you gotta love the forwrd facing cameras when you are on a bike, speed through them and flick the bird, quality. a favourite passtime of mine.

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I've no intention of passing the buck steve, I f i'm caught it's a fair cop as they say. But I want the photo proof and not just a computers say so. I was mainly concerned that passing more than one of these cameras in a batch would indeed be more than one offence as theotretically you could lose your licence in one stretch of road which was not busy,not dangerous (as no one was working at the road works), not very well lit and the fact that the average speed being monitered sign was well passed the point that IMO it should have been.
AND I WAS Slowing down gradually but not by slamming on the brakes on a motorway which was deserted pretty much at that time of morning anyways.

[Edited on 16/1/06 by omega 24 v6]

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Originally posted by NS Dev
.................................all of which INFURIATES ME SOOOO MUCH ARGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

WE ARE BEING ROBBED BLIND!!!!!!!!!!

PREVIOUSLY, IF GATSO CAMERAS WERE USED, THERE WOULD BE A SEPERATE OFFENCE PER CAMERA. NOW WITH SPECS IT IS FAIRER IN A WAY AS IT IS AVERAGE SPEED AND ONE OFFENCE.


BUT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........

WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT GOT CAUGHT BY GATSO CAMERAS FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER, WHERE WAS THE CHANGE IN LAW THAT MEANT 3 OFFENCES ARE NOW ONE.............................................................................................................

THESE CAMERAS ARE A FCUKING JOKE, THEY SHOULD ALL BE REMOVED NOW, OR THERE SHOULD BE A MASS VIGILANTE MOVEMENT TO DESTROY THEM.

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Originally posted by omega 24 v6
I've no intention of passing the buck steve, I f i'm caught it's a fair cop as they say. But I want the photo proof and not just a computers say so. I was mainly concerned that passing more than one of these cameras in a batch would indeed be more than one offence as theotretically you could lose your licence in one stretch of road which was not busy,not dangerous (as no one was working at the road works), not very well lit and the fact that the average speed being monitered sign was well passed the point that IMO it should have been.
AND I WAS Slowing down gradually but not by slamming on the brakes on a motorway which was deserted pretty much at that time of morning anyways.

[Edited on 16/1/06 by omega 24 v6]

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Well I'll have to wait and see i suppose 2 weeks maximum you guy's reckon. Fingers crossed.

And it was at J32 J33 on the M6 if anyones interested or got more information.

[Edited on 16/1/06 by omega 24 v6]

best of luck - saw someone in front of me get zapped last night doing about 45 in a 40, about 50 mtrs in front of me. i was slowing to 40 from 45 at the time, and you still think, did that get them or me ...... but it was one of those truvelo things. Loop in the ground about 5 mtrs in front of the cam. gives a prety pink/purple single flash it does.....


ive found my sat nav system to be useful loaded with the speed cam database it gives plenty of warning for known fixed, specs and mobile cam positions.

arb

steve

[Edited on 16/1/06 by steve_gus]

if you drive through lincs, 80% of camera's have been set fire to, the locals put tyres over them fill them with petrol and let them burn

cool eh.

Whats the damage if your caught with no number plate on the front of your car? Mine fell off (No really, it did.) and i didnt put it on for about 6 weeks cos i couldnt find the screwdriver or something, nobody batted an eyelid, now, im not advocating breaking the law or anything, but since the government have all the cops out beating beating up kosovans or generally doing other important stuff like catching nasty people, then if we (As in the whole country.) just took our number plates off the front of our car, surely the roads would be a happier place?

Ahem. So far, no NIP, but, ive not checked the mail at the old house. La la la


D

I think (but do check) that no number plate is about 30 quid fine and no endorsement. Although im sure they may have wised up to that,,,,,

atb

steve

when i drove thro the county to visit a customer in Lincs a couple years back, it looked so backwater I recon they must have done it for entertainment!



atb

steve

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Originally posted by graememk
if you drive through lincs, 80% of camera's have been set fire to, the locals put tyres over them fill them with petrol and let them burn

cool eh.

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Oh well a weeks past and no NIP but the guy that drove home got one from a mobile van ( 42 in a 30 ) strange thing is it didn't come recorded delivery so how does this 14 day thing work if they've no proof you received it in that time?

if your company cant tell the law who was driving the vehicle then they are liable to a fine of £1000.00
Best of luck

Ther's no problem to who was driving the vehicle at any time. The question is if they only have 14 days for you to receive a NIP and they don't send it recorded delivery how can they prove you received it. I'm thinking that if it arrived on say day 15 or 20 then your a free man. What's everyones opinion on this as it seems to be a loophole that no-one signs for the receipt of the NIP.

they dont send it recorded delivery. In fact if it gets lost in the post or goes to the wrong house, they dont give a fcuk. They have to issue it in 14 days - if you dont get it its no concern to them. You are considered to have received it. Its the same with any motoring court documentation - they dont send it registered, and if you dont get it, thats too bad.

If you really want to worry, you could have been nicked, it could be lost in the post, they will assume that you refused the chance to get 60 quid and 3 points, and you get called to court. Then if you are really unlucky you will also have the summons lost in the post, and not turn up, and they chuck the book at you in your absence. If you are stupifyingly unlucky, you wont get or pay the fine, and you will end up with coppers at your door with an arrest warrant.

As daft as it seems, the system could allow this to happen.

A user on this forum works as a court clerk - perhaps he could provide more info.

atb

steve

[Edited on 21/1/06 by steve_gus]

Jeez how unfair's that little lot. Still as we all know as motorists we keep the country well financed one way or anotherand we are always guilty unless we can prove our innocence.
If they could only keep track of the common burglar/mugger etc in the same way boy would this government/country be rich

P.S. Fingers are still crossed

They presumably (sp) then could alter the issue date to suit there purposes as well

[Edited on 22/1/06 by omega 24 v6]

Two weeks past yesterday and no NIP. Am i safe yet?

Police round here are running a purge at the moment, pulling people for everything, brake lights not working, sidelights out etc. and giving warnings to get them fixed.

I think its the date that its issued after the offence that counts..... but you are prob looking good.

When i got done in a co car in 2000, it took 35 days or so before I got it, as it was bounced to the lease co, then my company, then to me.

Thats unfair. The reason there is a 14 day limit is so that the facts are fresh in your mind and you have a chance to collate the facts of your case. 35 days insnt exactly fair is it?

atb

steve

Yep, but they still have 6 months (from the date of offence) to summons you to Court if they decide to do so instead - regardless of the NIPI.

Also, some blokey like me has to endorse everything they post to say when and when it was posted - that's all the proof the Police or a Court needs that documents were served - pants I know.

55 shouldn't (as long as you weren't in a zero tolerence area) produce anything as un-officially, you still get 10% +3 MPH before anything happens.

Depending on how honest you are, there are ways around this.

At the end of the day, there is only one way round this in the future - drive everywhere at 30 bloody MPH !!!

I know - believe me.

Track days and National Speed Limit roads - that's where its at.

Pat...

Hi, just wondering about your actual speed,most people dont realise that their car speedo will register about 3-5mph over actual speed.
Anyone with a GPS sat nav or Road Angel can tell you that there is some difference between actual speed and speedo displayed speed.

Thanks for all the replies guys I'll leave it at that and hope for the best. Live and learn eh I'll know what they are next time

There is a road in Cambridgeshire, at Camborne, thats signed at 19 (yes nineteen) mph. So you would have been more than 50% over the speed limit on that doctrine!

regarding speedo error - the two BMW 3 seires I had were acurate to 1mph according to roadside 'speed boards'


atb

steve

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Originally posted by Avoneer
Yep, but they still have 6 months (from the date of offence) to summons you to Court if they decide to do so instead - regardless of the NIPI.

Also, some blokey like me has to endorse everything they post to say when and when it was posted - that's all the proof the Police or a Court needs that documents were served - pants I know.

55 shouldn't (as long as you weren't in a zero tolerence area) produce anything as un-officially, you still get 10% +3 MPH before anything happens.

Depending on how honest you are, there are ways around this.

At the end of the day, there is only one way round this in the future - drive everywhere at 30 bloody MPH !!!

I know - believe me.

Track days and National Speed Limit roads - that's where its at.

Pat...

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hey!
i thougt there was only one camborne, and us cornish have got it!
theiving up country lot!
give it back!

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Originally posted by steve_gus
they dont send it recorded delivery. In fact if it gets lost in the post or goes to the wrong house, they dont give a fcuk. They have to issue it in 14 days - if you dont get it its no concern to them. You are considered to have received it. Its the same with any motoring court documentation - they dont send it registered, and if you dont get it, thats too bad.

If you really want to worry, you could have been nicked, it could be lost in the post, they will assume that you refused the chance to get 60 quid and 3 points, and you get called to court. Then if you are really unlucky you will also have the summons lost in the post, and not turn up, and they chuck the book at you in your absence. If you are stupifyingly unlucky, you wont get or pay the fine, and you will end up with coppers at your door with an arrest warrant.

As daft as it seems, the system could allow this to happen.

A user on this forum works as a court clerk - perhaps he could provide more info.

atb

steve

[Edited on 21/1/06 by steve_gus]

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Now thats what I wanted to hear Syd apart from the costs you a solicitor. If it went to court and was thrown out surely you'd get your costs back. Seems to me very often don't fight their corner cause of the costs involved and therefore give in to the bullies. If the NIP came in on time it's a fair cop cause I was breaking the rules. On the other hand if It comes in weeks later then they are breaking the rules and I might just argue the case.

20 years ago (think its changed now) the AA and RAC used to give you a FREE soilicitor if you were in dnager of losing your license (102mph) - worth his weight in gold. Cost me nowt

atb

steve

Im a big fan of loosing your front number plate drove mine all last year, even past cop cars parked up and looking right at us great for the camera van we have parking all over the place