Mind you, Daren's post could be read as a trouble-maker's trawl, even though we know him to be a nice guy who wouldn't think of stirring the soft and smelly stuff!
David
Apparently, according to the other group, we all talk crap, post totally incorrect stuff and our pictures make us look like sad blokes.
It has made me realise why i am rarely on there now. Too many stupid little --------- (fill in your own word) that just want an argument.
There are just over 4k posts on here now. Apart from the 16kw wind up, i dont recall anyone getting upset, personal or pre-menstral.
Look back over the last 4k posts on TOL (and at the current rate thats 8 months posts since the group self imploded) and there will be several riots
and similar.
1250 members, and hardly anyone posts cos they will get flamed if they do.
Its nice to be home with your mates.
ATB
Steve
Yes - that poster was out of order (and wrong - I've seen no more rubbish spoken here than elsewhere). But have you noticed how most people on that
list now keep quiet when a row is threatening? Many posts that would spark a riot now fizzle out due to lack of support. They're learning!
Mind you, Daren's post could be read as a trouble-maker's trawl, even though we know him to be a nice guy who wouldn't think of stirring the soft and
smelly stuff!
David
I'm not a member of the other list, I don't like the format or the adverts that keep popping up. I'm sure it has it's merits and mostly decent folk
but I prefer this list. I like my sad picture and its good to see what other folk look like too, makes it more personnel and friendly.
You got my curiousity though and I had a look, Dave Beddows, what a solid bloke, and his techinically accurate way of finding an exhaust. Wow! I just
don't deserve to be in his presence. Off to write some 'simply wrong' information on modifying steering racks.
David,
The arguments don't happen because the catalyst was removed - Me!
I'm overburdened with what might be called"refreshing honesty" To be blunt I am blunt. I speak as I find. I couldn't keep quiet when the man who mail
bombed the group was immediately made a moderator. I was on the list for over three years, and never once posted abuse or slagged anyone off even when
Wally pulled his little trick. No one seems to mind when certain Antipodean members post non-sensical one word posts. Clique is the only way to
describe it.
Cheers
Chris
I've added a few bits and bobs to that (rare for me to post on there isn't it!) Please keep that thread going as long as possible - it's great
advertising!
Chris
quote:
I've added a few bits and bobs to that (rare for me to post on there isn't it!) Please keep that thread going as long as possible - it's great advertising!
Chris
quote:
You got my curiousity though and I had a look, Dave Beddows, what a solid bloke, and his techinically accurate way of finding an exhaust. Wow! I just don't deserve to be in his presence. Off to write some 'simply wrong' information on modifying steering racks.
quote:
David,
The arguments don't happen because the catalyst was removed - Me!
I recon Dave should come on in and give us a chance.
I was dismissive and critical of this list at first, but here I am in the top ten posters list, and now an owner of serious military arsenal.
Welcome solid dave.
ATB
Steve
quote:quote:
You got my curiousity though and I had a look, Dave Beddows, what a solid bloke, and his techinically accurate way of finding an exhaust. Wow! I just don't deserve to be in his presence. Off to write some 'simply wrong' information on modifying steering racks.
I notice that Mr Beddows is our latest member ("Solid Dave Beddows"). Perhaps he can share his great experience with all of us and raise our level of technical expertise...
Guys,
This seems to summarise all that you say from the other list:_
"Everyone,
Please cease and desist this comparison of this list and locostbuilders.
I can only see the discussion going down the same road it has before -
into an unnecessary slanging match. There is room for for both forums
and comparison of the lists does not fall under the subject of this list
(please see the House Rules in the file area).
I WILL be ruthless in removing offenders who continue this thread."
I don't feel so bad when somebody like Peter says this - he's just stamping on something that is likely to drag on and on with no sensible
resolution.
He's just saying "stop it", unlike previous moderators who just got irrational and silly - or even joined in and perpetuated the arguing.
David
Well I've said my bit on the other list. I think it will go down as well as a pork chop at a jewish wedding reception but what the hell, Stevie G
liked it. Oh and I also praised Chris W for setting this site up, so that would have burst a few blood vessels as well. Ho Hum
A while back I was pro-TOL and a bit anti this one.
Now I think the balance has shifted...
David
quote:
Well I've said my bit on the other list. I think it will go down as well as a pork chop at a jewish wedding reception but what the hell, Stevie G liked it. Oh and I also praised Chris W for setting this site up, so that would have burst a few blood vessels as well. Ho Hum
"I think he could have worded things better"
"However, its very indicative of TOL that Peter needs to post stuff like that"
These were the points that I was making. Nothing against Peter, he's been very helpful to me in the past. It's just the tone that caught my
attention.
Alan B
The fundemental difference between the communities and why they work in there own way is because TOL is setup as a sharing of information, like the schools homework website, you post a question and people can reply, probably why any humour has not gone down to well with some of the members. This site has adopted the sharing of ideas, more of a brain storming session, due mainly to the lack of support on TOL. The humour, although largely off topic, does raise a laugh or two. This is possible on this list because it doesn't fill the messages page on TOL or swamp emails with every post, downside is that if you look at this list on different PC's, as I do, it is easy to miss some posts unless you look carefully.
I was about due a good flaming and boy did I get it 
Are you the "real" Dave Beddows,or a pale imitation?
If it's the former you must have balls like space-hoppers.
Cheers
Chris
Nah, don't race 2 stroke gearbox Karts so I have very normal sized testicles thanks. I take it that this list is trying to become the home for an
crack team of the most notorious 'flamers' in the Locost world then I'm not sure I'm quite as bitter as a few of you but I do have a good line in
not suffering fools if that's any help
Oh, and I do my best to help people if I can too - so will be posting something regarding building your 1st Formula Locost engine soon to clear up all
the 'wrong' stuff
lol
Dave
I don't flame,
I do, however, like a laugh.
Is that the same thing?
I dunno.
Cheers
Chris
Look forward to your posts Dave and whats all this burger king talk anyway?
quote:
I was about due a good flaming and boy did I get it
quote:
Are you the "real" Dave Beddows,or a pale imitation?
If it's the former you must have balls like space-hoppers.
Cheers
Chris
as of 8.30pm tonight, TOL seems to be shagged
Perhaps its all handbags right now? or someone spilt coffee all over the disk drive somwhere in the USA. When it comes down to it, its all just a few
megabytes on a disk, and oh so much problems!
atb
steve
I thonk the probl;em wiy the other list is quite simpley Leprosy. When peoples fingerers are falling off they can't really typr a decent post
wiithout being consmed by the fear of body parts falling odff and the lonliness of the condition.
Unfortunaely ,y own leprosy is getiting to the stage where I can't take part in either the email; based or the web based discussion.
So I will go top bed and see if its better in the morning.
Nyee
Liam
xxx
If its not too boring, this is the way the other group is run :
I am mailing you both directly as I have already posted a public warning
about continuing this thread.
Please do not continue this thread further. It serves no purpose. There
is room for both methods and, as has already been seen, multiple lists.
I will be forced to remove you from the list if you continue.
- Peter Ogden (Moderator Locost, Locost_Theory & Locost_Oz Lists)
http://www.esbconsult.com.au/ogden/
(Home of the Locost Mirror)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stephen_gusterson [mailto:stephen.gusterson@ntlworld.com]
> Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 9:12 PM
> To: locost@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [locost] Re: locostbuilders.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> Why why?
>
> I can read this online at home and at work via the web - i dont see
> anything strange between that and also being on
> www.locostbuilders.co.uk at the same time.
>
>
> I can use the web to read the messages I want instantly, and ignore
> the ones i dont want to read. Mostly the one liners making not
> meaningfuls statements tend to get skipped.
>
>
> atb
>
> steve
>
>
>
> --- In locost@y..., "Rick Hargraves"
> > strange to see you here then I guess
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: stephen_gusterson
> > To: locost@y...
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:31 PM
> > Subject: [locost] Re: locostbuilders.co.uk
> >
> >
> > --- In locost@y..., "Rick Hargraves"
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > Oldtimer maybe BUT-
> > >
> > > It is much easier to download and read emails at work than surf
> the
> > web.
> > > I do not have web access at work as I work in a Clients office
> > with no dial in on the phone system either)
> > > It is much less obvious at work and if at home I can down load -
>
> > get off - reply- get back on and send - not chew up hours wading
> > through a hunderd mails.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tricky H.
> > >
> >
> >
> > EXACTLY as I suspected!
> >
> > At my company, all PC's have email access but only about 20% of
> them
> > have web access - I suspect to cut down on un-authorised use.
> >
> > I my experience, when the list was its old self, subscribing to
> the
> > list with individual emails was just self inflicted mail bombing.
> > Crazy. I also recon thats the reason people get so stroppy and
> angry
> > cos they are getting stuff that they just dont want.
> >
> > 'yes mate' 'good onya' and 'lathe jokes' in several replies, sent
> to
> > your mail box, isnt exactly interesting. If you see a thread on
> the
> > web interface 'tricky no lathe' as it was - you can decide to or
> not,
> > to view. No feelings of stress, anger or hardship.
> >
> > If you go for the digest, thats crap to read too, as its 50% or
> more
> > just quotes of the earlier messages, that you dont even bother to
> > scroll down to on the web interface.
> >
> > The web access is easier, in my view. You can see who the post is
> > from, easily follow a thread, ignore those posters you dont want
> to
> > read, but still see their view if you want to, without the
> permanancy
> > of putting people in kill files.
> >
> > With my broadband access at home, web viewing is instantaneous,
> and i
> > dont pay extra for the time I spend on line.
> >
> > You pays yer money, etc, and for me, web is by far the best way.
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Having just read the post that ChrisW put on TOL this morning, I recon its just about 100/1 chance of ChrisW not being kicked off in the next 24
hours.
If ypu dp get kicked Chris, I wonder what a complaint message to Yahoo might do?
If you really want to leave with a bang you had better do it before AUstralia wakes up!
Atb
Steve
...or you two can continue annoying everyone else on that list.
Why bother? You're just looking childish.
David
quote:
...or you two can continue annoying everyone else on that list.
Why bother? You're just looking childish.
David
Thought I was onto a perfectly good point myself. Everyone tells me Peter guy is too controlling and he proved it. But yeah, you're right, I am just
trying to wind him up!
Lets see if I get banned eh? Nothing to stop me joining again though is there!
Chris
quote:
Thought I was onto a perfectly good point myself. Everyone tells me Peter guy is too controlling and he proved it. But yeah, you're right, I am just trying to wind him up!
Lets see if I get banned eh? Nothing to stop me joining again though is there!
Chris
quote:quote:
Thought I was onto a perfectly good point myself. Everyone tells me Peter guy is too controlling and he proved it. But yeah, you're right, I am just trying to wind him up!
Lets see if I get banned eh? Nothing to stop me joining again though is there!
Chris
Chris,
I'm sorry, but all you are doing is screwing up 2 good Locost resources.
The other list was calming down and starting to be good again.
This site was starting to be useful (and a good laugh).
All you are doing is appearing childish - "I don't like your rules so you can't play either".
From the tone of a number of posts on both sites I'm not alone in this view.
David
(who has just decided that he can't be bothered with this site any more.)
Chris,
What you are doing is childish.
The Other List was just settling down when you decided to stir it up again for no particular reason.
This site was establishing itself as a good alternative, and a bit of a laugh.
Now both are screwed up because you want to play games. You don't like their rules, so no-one else can play either.
Because of this, I'm leaving this site. Because of your crap, I'll probably sign off the other one for a while, as well.
David
(Don't bother to reply - I'm outta here.)
I find both David an ChrisW's actions in this a little strange.
At the end of the day, these lists mean bugger all. Life goes on. My car would still get built. Anyone who has a library, mates and a browser that can
search google does not need any lists. Its just nice to be able to get the info in one place.
I think TOL has a lot of faults. It certainly has its nasty characters and it has its real gems too. When I got into problems a couple times, I had
lots of supporting mails, and I dont think a single nasty one. A few snide list comments, but only support. Ken Walton in particular is a great guy
with a great philosophy. However since the traffic on TOL reduced to about 25% or what it was, i find it less interesting.
All those people building cars witout a list resource, no, surely.....
As far as this list is concerned, I personally havnt really used it as a major build resource at all. For me, I find it an entertainingway to stay in
touch with people building cars. If I can help with my experience or ask the odd question myself, all well and good.
This list has been having some good promtional mentions on TOL. This has been seen by the fact that its grown by quite a few members in the last few
weeks. They will not stay or participate unless they see some quality.
I think what ChrisW is doing on TOL goes too far, its not just name dropping but its damaging. Damaging to this group. Who wants to join just another
'bitching' session.
David was taking quite a nice part on both lists. Now he's done the typical list member thing. He's thrown a wobbly, posted his epitath and left.
I hope whan my car is finished I will just post a 'bye and thanks for all the fish' or just peter out. However, I can see it ending in a tirade of
'this is what I really think' cos it seems it always ends that way.
This list will continue to grow by getting good links. For instance, google rates sites by the links to it, not how many buzz words are in it. If we
get quality builders on here, they will have sites that link here and up goes the score.
If they see the list as just another bunch of tossers cos of all the contrived semi-argumentative promotional quips on the other site, it wont
happen.
Look a the members list - and the amount of posts for the top members. We need the bottom ones to grow, and they wont if silly stuff continues.
ATB
Steve
David
Not sure why you're blaming this on me - I didn't start *anything* on the other list. In fact, I only went back last week because people had told me
my site had been mentioned and of course I'll defend it whenever possible. Also would have been happy to leave it well alone last week if it hadn't
been for Ogden telling me what I can and can't say.
I'm not talking about joining again to cause agro, I'm just saying I wonder if I'll get banned for having views different to his as seems to be the
case with most of the bans. I'll never ask a question on there again anyway as everytime I tried (before I set this site up) I either got no reply or
someone been sarcastic but I do occasionally search the archives incase my point has already been rasied. (and for that I'd need a membership)
Anyway, enough on the subject. Let them get on with it. I stand by my actions and I'll defend this site again if I need to.
Chris
You didnt need to defend anything.
You were getting good advertising.
Both you and me were mentioning the list to get it noticed.
I am in favour of this site, but what you were doing was BLATENT self fullfilling prophecy stuff - Get him to ban you so you could then claim you were
right - it was way way obvious.
AND I think you caused more harm than good.
quote:
Having just read the post that ChrisW put on TOL this morning, I recon its just about 100/1 chance of ChrisW not being kicked off in the next 24 hours.
If ypu dp get kicked Chris, I wonder what a complaint message to Yahoo might do?
Hi all
This topic really annoys me as it seems people are allways trying to estiguish fire with gasoline...
I do not understand why "ones" have to tackle "others" ... if you don't stand them just ignore them.
By the way Big Boss Man, what if you manage to get us Web Sites inside Locostbuilders.co.uk? What better publicity than everyone that still reads and
posts in TOL announcing his site as, pe, "www/locostbuilders.co.uk/jcduroc"?
After all, we are all grown up and I'd love to meet some Locost(ers)Builders next time I travel to UK to have a few beers, discuss cars and ...
whether that was Kournikova's picture or not. Ah! And also to get help if I ever have to SVA my Locost in UK and then "import" it back to Portugal.
Let us not let small differences get bigger; after all we share a common dream/desire/passion innovated by Colin the Great.
It doesn't matter whether you're Manchester, Everton or Benfica fan, Tory or Labor, Black or White, Timorease or Indoneasian; we are all Lotusers fans
an thrillers, aren't we?
Cheers all
Joćo
P.S.: BossMan
Can't you get David (Jenkins) back to our group? Try it.
Cheers
Joćo
Well said that man,first sensible thing ive read for days
I did say i woudnt post on this subject,but kounokova was mentioned and i just fell apart
I've mailed david but to no avail,he will post on TOL which i think is their gain and our loss.