jeffw
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 02:44 PM |
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He has been tried, convicted and sentenced for what might, I repeat might, have happened not for something that actually did happen.
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
The guy who was jailed for going really fast, on a motorbike, in the wet with his young son on the pillon.....again nobody was hurt and no property
damaged yet he got time inside.
This is not to say that either of them are not stupid people....but have either of them commited a criminal act equivalent aggrievated GBH or multiply
robberies ?
[Edited on 29/10/09 by jeffw]
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A1
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 03:33 PM |
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his life is going to be screwed now, hell never be able to get a decent job.
there seems to be a thought that if youre doing the speed limit you and everyone around you is safe. Lets be honest, doing 70 on a motorway in heavy
rain, although legal, is more dangerous than doing twice that in a car made for it on a sunny day.
Im not saying doing 160 isnt silly, but if the roads clear and straight (its certainly VERY straight there), its hardly hurting anyone, is it?
its just the cops cracking down on the easy targets. you dont see them catching knife weilding chavs, do you? and they are intentionally hurting
people, and laughing about it too, so surely to god they should be put in the clink, not someone who put his foot (or wrist in this case) down a bit.
bear in mind how easy it is to go that fast on these bikes too, its well within their capability.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 08:00 PM |
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If you're gonna max it (and it's almost the law to do it once) then at least do it on an empty road.. Like the M6 at about 2am on a
saturday morning
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JoelP
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 09:04 PM |
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you must be a chemist to distill so much nonsense into such a small volume of text  
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
He has been tried, convicted and sentenced for what might, I repeat might, have happened not for something that actually did happen.
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
The guy who was jailed for going really fast, on a motorbike, in the wet with his young son on the pillon.....again nobody was hurt and no property
damaged yet he got time inside.
This is not to say that either of them are not stupid people....but have either of them commited a criminal act equivalent aggrievated GBH or multiply
robberies ?
[Edited on 29/10/09 by jeffw]
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jeffw
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 09:21 PM |
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And why is it nonsense then ?
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JoelP
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 09:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
And why is it nonsense then ?
I was hoping you would ask!
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He has been tried, convicted and sentenced for what might, I repeat might, have happened not for something that actually did happen.
no, he got tried, convicted and sentenced for speeding, not for the possibility of killing someone.
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It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
You do get a very stiff penalty (5 year mandatory) for section 5 firearms offenses, which you could also call unfair when no one gets hurt. However,
its there to discourage people from carrying guns. If you actually kill someone its likely to be a life sentence.
This biker has fallen foul of a similar situation. But you might agree that at 160mph he is more likely to be involved in a collision, and that that
collision is more likely to involve at least the one fatality. When you check your mirrors before you change lane, do you really look out for people
who are gaining on you at 96mph? Thats a speck in the distance becoming a dent in the back window in a very short time. And its not just his life
either.
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The guy who was jailed for going really fast, on a motorbike, in the wet with his young son on the pillon.....again nobody was hurt and no property
damaged yet he got time inside.
Dont know the case, but it seems reasonable that there are occasions when a parent could be punished for endangering their children.
quote:
This is not to say that either of them are not stupid people....but have either of them commited a criminal act equivalent aggrievated GBH or multiply
robberies ?
No, but then some would argue that other sentences are too lenient, rather than this one too harsh.
having said all that, i would have crushed his bike rather than jailing him, and fined him a suitable amount linked to his wealth or income.
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morcus
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 10:38 PM |
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Second vote for Crushing the bike.
I Honestly think the sentence is fair, 160mph is a ridiculus speed (He would have complete the 2 miles stretch (I saw that figure earlier) in
45seconds. Everyone knows that the police are out to get speeders and that your gonna get caught. I'm not saying I've never exceeded the
speed limit, but 160 is just stupid.
He screwed his own life up, and he gives people like us(Motoring enthusiasts) a bad name.
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 10:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
And why is it nonsense then ?
I was hoping you would ask!
I don't have any popcorn, so I'll have to microwave my chicken hotpot and watch the fireworks 
I see no point in crushing the bike, when it could be used for something else (Police revenue for selling it on for example)
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scootz
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 11:03 PM |
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Or give it to me!
It's Evolution Baby!
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MautoK
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| posted on 29/10/09 at 11:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
It is like being handed down a sentence equivalent to murder for carring a handgun...
[Edited on 29/10/09 by jeffw]
More like firing the thing randomly in a public place.
John.
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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jeffw
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 06:34 AM |
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All interesting views.
I have done 203MPH on the Autobahn (GPS certified) ....does this mean I should have a prison sentence ?
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JoelP
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 07:25 AM |
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jeff, on an autobahn people expect you to be travelling fast. You are less likely to catch someone out.
Different countries have different laws. If you went to france and had sex with a 15 year old, would you feel like a criminal?
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 09:09 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
All interesting views.
I have done 203MPH on the Autobahn (GPS certified) ....does this mean I should have a prison sentence ?
Assuming that the local Constabulary didn't mind it, then nope... when in Rome and all that!
However, don't be fooled (I'm sure you're not) that you can drive at ANY speed ay ANY time on the Autobahns... I suspect that if you
were clocked at 200+ MPH on a derestricted Autobahn then you would still incur the wrath of a local magistrate.
In general terms, most other European legal systems are younger than ours and they apply a law of 'common sense' whereas our archaic
system does not (yes, I am implying that common-sense tells us it's not safe to be doing 200mph on a public road  ).
It's Evolution Baby!
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Peteff
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 09:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to kill him, to ACTUALLY killing him!
Read this back when you are capable of thinking, do you actually think there would be anything left of him if he hit something at 160mph. I ride a
bike and he's my hero now Have a look at the actual road on google maps and you'll see how he was tempted to do it.edit to add
Have you considered anger management classes, calm down man.
[Edited on 30/10/09 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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jeffw
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 09:20 AM |
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What interests me is the custodial sentence for this gentlemen. I believe his actions where reckless but I am not convinced that he should be behind
bars for them.
I have been driving cars /riding bikes for 30 odd years now and there have been moments when I have probable been almost as reckless. The Autobahn
was derestricted and it was 6.00am on a bright, dry Sunday morning.
There are a significant number of bikes & cars that will do 160+ now days and I would think a proportion of the owners have tested the speeds
claimed for those vehicles....is this the future prison population as well ?
At what speed does his actions warrent a custodial sentence ? If he had been doing 120 would he have been inside ? The effect on something he hit
and himself in the event of an accident would be very similar at 120 to 160MPH.
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 09:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to kill him, to ACTUALLY killing him!
Read this back when you are capable of thinking, do you actually think there would be anything left of him if he hit something at 160mph. I ride a
bike and he's my hero now Have a look at the actual road on google maps and you'll see how he was tempted to do it.edit to add
Have you considered anger management classes, calm down man.
Read it back, and yes, you are quite correct... there would be nothing left - just a splodge. I therefore wish to re-consider my position...
Ahem...
Had he done it at 160mph, then I would probably go from WANTING to spit on his splodge, to ACTUALLY piddling on it instead!
There - almost as grown up as your "he's my hero" now statement!
Edited due to my terrible grammar!
[Edited on 30/10/09 by scootz]
It's Evolution Baby!
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 09:28 AM |
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Anger management is for wimps... better to let it out a la Charlie Bronson in Death Wish, or Michael Douglas in Falling Down!
It's Evolution Baby!
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 02:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Anger management is for wimps... better to let it out a la Charlie Bronson in Death Wish, or Michael Douglas in Falling Down!
Randomly beating the cr@p out of people so you can give your son a little water pistol for his birthday?
Or am I thinking of a different film?
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scootz
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 02:51 PM |
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Different film methinks!
It's Evolution Baby!
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MautoK
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 06:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
The effect on something he hit and himself in the event of an accident would be very similar at 120 to 160MPH.
Kinetic energy at 160 is nearly twice that at 120.
John.
He's whittling on a piece of wood. I got a feeling that when he stops whittling, something's gonna happen. (OUATITW/Cheyenne)
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jeffw
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| posted on 30/10/09 at 07:40 PM |
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All parties would still be dead regardless of the increased kinetic energy.
Interestingly the kinetic energy of a 1700Kg car at 70 MPH is more than that of a 300Kg (bike +rider) at 160MPH.
[Edited on 30/10/09 by jeffw]
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 31/10/09 at 11:19 AM |
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Where did you get a bike and rider figure of 300kg from? I'd have thought a bike that could do that kind of speed would make it more than that
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scootz
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| posted on 31/10/09 at 11:56 AM |
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I would have said that 300KG was pretty high!
Litre Sports bike @ 190KG (Wet)
Average Rider @ 80KG (Wet )
Average Total = 270KG
It's Evolution Baby!
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jeffw
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| posted on 31/10/09 at 02:21 PM |
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I was going for the upper end of the scale. My RC30 was only 175Kg from memory.
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