scootz
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 07:54 AM |
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Read the thread now... there's a hell of a misconception that castration will fix the problem. It may work for a handful, but will have zero
effect on the majority.
Most sex crimes are about 'control' and 'dominance'... this is particularly the case with those who sexually abuse youngsters.
You can chop off what you like, but they will still have the urge to control and dominate, and will find other horrendous means to force this upon
more vulnerable humans.
There is hardly a shred of credible evidence to suggest that child sex offenders can be rehabilitated... all the hard facts point to recidivist
offenders and many shattered lives.
There is only 1 option once a child sex offender has been identified... isolate completely from society sine die. And this leads to only 2 courses of
action... lock them up till their last breath, or exterminate them.
Sadly neither will ever prove to be a deterrent to others however as contrary to media speculation they are not driven by the devil, just boring old
compulsion (the mundane truth scares the sh*t out of me much more than rabble-rousing speculation!).
Having seen countless times the damage that child sex offenders can cause to individuals and their families, I would have no hesitation in either
putting them to a lifetime of CONFINED public service labour, or just put them down.
It's Evolution Baby!
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oldtimer
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 08:25 AM |
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Any system where the state spends more money feeding it's prisoners than it's school children is seriously in the wrong. Make prisons more
like places of punishment than hotels. Make the punishment worse than the crime rather than easier and crime will decrease. Making prisoners to work 8
hours a day for no wage to pay for their confinement is a just act. Many Muslim countries countries have very low crime rates often as a result of
truely punitive punishments.
Harsh?, yes, but you make your choice and you pay the price.
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RichieHall
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 08:31 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Two bricks would be a better solution...
Just weld the end shut 
Rust is lighter than Carbon Fibre!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 08:37 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Wheels244
Get real people - if we had proper deterents for these perverts instead of the holiday camps ( prisons ) we send them to we might see a reduction in
this perverted scum.
I don't honestly think we would. It's not like burglary or car theft, these people's brains are wired wrongly and no amount of
deterrents are going to stop them acting on their feelings.
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AndyGT
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 10:25 AM |
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The last person to be executed in the UK was Peter Anthony Allen on 13th August 1964.
I remember seeing a documentary that stated, a little later in time, police evidence shows/suggests that the man was innocent!!
I wouldn't like the thought of executing an innocent person.
Plus we can't make prisoners work as this is against human rights laws etc. Just like they can't be tortured.
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roadrunner
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 10:33 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
The last person to be executed in the UK was Peter Anthony Allen on 13th August 1964.
I remember seeing a documentary that stated, a little later in time, police evidence shows/suggests that the man was innocent!!
I wouldn't like the thought of executing an innocent person.
Plus we can't make prisoners work as this is against human rights laws etc. Just like they can't be tortured.
The police are better(maybe) at finding the guilty guilty, with DNA testing they struggle to get it wrong.
So yes, bring back the death penalty, it's the only real deterrent.
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 10:36 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by roadrunner
The police are better(maybe) at finding the guilty guilty, with DNA testing they struggle to get it wrong.
So yes, bring back the death penalty, it's the only real deterrent.
DNA isn't foolproof though, it's still possible to get a false positive.
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contaminated
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 10:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Read the thread now... there's a hell of a misconception that castration will fix the problem. It may work for a handful, but will have zero
effect on the majority.
I think you're right, however my view is that this would be a punishment rather than a cure. I'd still lock em up.
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scootz
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 10:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by contaminated
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Read the thread now... there's a hell of a misconception that castration will fix the problem. It may work for a handful, but will have zero
effect on the majority.
I think you're right, however my view is that this would be a punishment rather than a cure. I'd still lock em up.
Yep - I'll subscribe to that... cut 'em off then hang 'em 
It's Evolution Baby!
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scootz
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 10:42 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by AndyGT
I wouldn't like the thought of executing an innocent person.
You've got to break a few eggs when making an omelette!
It's Evolution Baby!
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jeffw
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 11:12 AM |
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However good the legal system is (and I have some doubts on that score) mistakes will happen...let alone people being fitted up for crimes by the boys
in blue or the state.
There is no way back once the death penalty has been carried out. The appeals process would also take years so you would end up with hundreds, if not
thousands, of people on death row waiting for the outcome of their appeals.
Sadly I think we need to keep them locked up for the rest of their natural lives.
[Edited on 10/11/09 by jeffw]
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swanny
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 12:37 PM |
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there are some really big issues here and they never get addressed by any government of any colour because no one has the balls to be radical anymore,
also no one government is in power long enuogh to make the kind of long term changes we're talking about without it getting mired in political
point scoring or election promises. I have a few thoughts:
1. you can only punish someone if they are responsible. we accept this already in the case of diminished responsibility. but if some guy has been
brought up in a disfunctional famaily and suffered abuse surely he doesnt deserve equal punishment to someone that grew up in a good environment as he
had no control over the environment he grew up in.
2. several people on here have mentioned 'if it happened to me/my kids i'd have a different approach' which whilst understandable
doesnt work as an approach to crime/justice. my philosphical buddies would have it that you have to arrive at a position after rational thought and
stick to it, regardless of how uncomfortable it may be to you. the same could also be said around the miscarriage of justice issue. How many of those
in favour would think differently if it iwas their brother/ father/partner that was executed by mistake?
3. we have no clear idea of why we send people to prison in this country, so it ends up being a mish mash of punishement/debt to society/justice
seeming to be done and on the other hand actually trying to rehabilitate people to stop them re affending and ending up back in the big house 6 months
later. what im saying is that it might make more sense to spend 100k on one inmate after his first 'visit' to ensure he never offends
again rather than spend 500k on housing him for half of the rest of his life as he continually re offends. but we cant do this in any real way,
because we have to be seen to punish them. so we're stuck, our hands are ties by trying to please everyone with our justice system and as a
result we achive nothing, but spend loads.
[Edited on 10/11/09 by swanny]
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jimmyjoebob
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 01:04 PM |
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The abolition of the death penalty was not because it wasn't working. Instead it was a result of a change of heart amongst the elected MP
community, possibly more forgiving generations coming into power. Effectively a 'let's try something different as a detterent'.
This clearly hasn't worked so bring back the death penalty that worked remarkably well for many centuries.
If at first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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swanny
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 01:09 PM |
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Couldnt you argue that the only evidence to hand regarding the efficacy of the death penalty suggests that it doesnt work at all.
In the hundreds of years prior to this one we had a much more violent society.
As far as i know america has some of the deadliest places to live on the planet, and there are seldom vacancies on death row.
Doesnt this suggest that it does absolutely nothing as a deterrent but all it really does is 'make people feel better' as a result of
some kind of retribution for the harm they or society have suffered?
Its simply taking someone life to make us all feel better, and less outraged.
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roadrunner
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 02:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by swanny
Couldnt you argue that the only evidence to hand regarding the efficacy of the death penalty suggests that it doesnt work at all.
In the hundreds of years prior to this one we had a much more violent society.
As far as i know america has some of the deadliest places to live on the planet, and there are seldom vacancies on death row.
Doesn't this suggest that it does absolutely nothing as a deterrent but all it really does is 'make people feel better' as a result
of some kind of retribution for the harm they or society have suffered?
Its simply taking someone life to make us all feel better, and less outraged.
But isn't that's whats it about, making people feel better knowing the B*****DS get what they deserve. At the end of the day you cannot
please all the people all the time, but once in a while it would be nice if some decisions where made that made the majority of people happy.
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morcus
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 02:10 PM |
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This is all irrelevent as the EU banned the Death penalty in 2000 so our governments have no power to execute people.
The Death penalty is a useless deterent as the crimes that warrant it can't really be detered, that is to say normal people don't kill
each other without sufficient reason. You can deter people from stealling and the like but some people out there are killers, rapists, paedophiles
ect.
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jimmyjoebob
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| posted on 10/11/09 at 09:09 PM |
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The murder rate in this country was far lower (and stayed very stable) whilst the death penalty was in effect compared to the rate now without it.
Emotion should not prevent an adequate deterrent or punishment from being enacted against a lawless minority that has no regard for the rest of
society.
If at first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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Wheels244
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| posted on 11/11/09 at 08:22 PM |
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And you still think these dirty B*stards deserve anything other than death ??????
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354316.stm
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/11/09 at 09:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Wheels244
And you still think these dirty B*stards deserve anything other than death ??????
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354316.stm
a fine example; i dont care for tales of abusive parents or a troubled start, he should've been shot after the first offense.
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andkilde
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| posted on 11/11/09 at 11:37 PM |
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Pedophiles are essentially incurable, I'm for shipping them off to their own island or something comparable. I'm not a tremendous death
penalty advocate but the lasting damage they do to others is incalculable.
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