Simon
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| posted on 9/4/05 at 01:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by carcentric
The only Rovers that have been sold here (for years) are the Range Rovers and they're held in high esteem by liberals who shop at high end
boutiques.
My hope that Rover might sell off the rights to produce the alum. V8 they bought from GM (aka Buick 215 here) to some company who'd drop them
into 2500 lb roadsters. . . with FI, I understand they're even smog-legal.
carcentric,
The ally V8 rights were one of the things bmw gave away when they sold R/Rover. That engine has now been discontinued as inefficient and not smog
friendly (even with EFI which it's had in various forms for the last 20+ years. R/Rover are now being fitted with Jag V8's (there's
another profitable company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
ATB
Simon
[Edited on 9/4/05 by Simon]
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carcentric
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quote:
Originally posted by Simon
quote:
Originally posted by carcentric
The only Rovers that have been sold here (for years) are the Range Rovers and they're held in high esteem by liberals who shop at high end
boutiques.
My hope that Rover might sell off the rights to produce the alum. V8 they bought from GM (aka Buick 215 here) to some company who'd drop them
into 2500 lb roadsters. . . with FI, I understand they're even smog-legal.
carcentric,
The ally V8 rights were one of the things bmw gave away when they sold R/Rover. . . .Simon
Well, in that case, I could care less if Rover survives or not!
Who got the rights to the alloy V8 (we still consider them little gems over here)?
M D "Doc" Nugent
http://www.carcentric.com
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andyps
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| posted on 9/4/05 at 11:58 AM |
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The rights to the Rover V8 engine were for sale when Land Rover stopped making the last version of the Discovery as it was the last volume user of it.
Don't know if anyone bought them though. It almost certainly would be very expensive to make it compliant with upcoming emission legislation for
Europe and the US.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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clbarclay
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| posted on 9/4/05 at 11:12 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyps
The rights to the Rover V8 engine were for sale when Land Rover stopped making the last version of the Discovery as it was the last volume user of it.
Don't know if anyone bought them though. It almost certainly would be very expensive to make it compliant with upcoming emission legislation for
Europe and the US.
Thier emissions is why people like Morgan have stoped using them altogether, its just not cost effective to perservier with them.
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Peteff
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| posted on 9/4/05 at 11:28 PM |
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Who got the rights to the alloy V8
Didn't they start off as a Buick from U.S. originally?
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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carcentric
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| posted on 10/4/05 at 02:37 AM |
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Originally posted by Peteff
Didn't they start off as a Buick from U.S. originally?
Yes, the first ones were in Buicks, but in the early '60s there were also Oldsmobile and Pontiac (very rare) versions - GM is the parent company
and the engines were known as B-O-P 215s (215 cubic inches). There was even a turbo'd version. Just a real nice size (3.5 liters) and alloy to
boot.
I had a GT6 Mk3 with the Buick V8 and T5 - what a fun car! It came with a couple of extra engine blocks - I kept those when I sold the GT6. Maybe
they'll make nice table bases some day.
M D "Doc" Nugent
http://www.carcentric.com
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Noodle
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 04:56 PM |
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Looks like Uncle Tony's getting a bit nervous about those marginal seats....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4447323.stm
Autocar had a little peice about the ZTT260's (rear-drive V8) going for £20K new. Now there's a thought...
Cheers,
Neil
Your sort make me sick
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andyps
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 05:02 PM |
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Would he have given the money if there wasn't an election coming soon? Me, cynical, never.........
That £150m would have helped MG Rover introduce a new car model, which would have increased sales, which might have helped secure a deal with another
manufacturer, which would have secured the jobs, which would have meant we still had a domestic volume car manufacturer.
But Tony is sorry about it, so all is well!!!
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 07:59 PM |
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150m would have done bugger all
it took 6.5m just to pay wages for a week.
new cars cost 100s of millions to produce. thats why so many manufacturers collaborate and use common platforms.
if a worker at rover gets 24k a year inc overtime, and there are 6,000 or em, thats 144m friggin quid on wages alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and they need more than 1 model.
figures i saw today were that 10 years ago rover had 10% of the uk market. Now, its 3%.
I think its terribly tragic for the 6,000 an another industrial employer gone west. But sometime you have to admit defeat.
All they own is the MG name. they dont own the plant, or even the rover name.
150m wont even do that much for the workers - 40m alone is needed for the stat redundancies. Then as it was said on the radio that the money is going
to a local agency to use as they see fit, they said it would be used to subsidise jobs whilst other work was found. so the govt will get some back as
tax anyway!!!!!!!
atb
steve
[Edited on 15/4/05 by stephen_gusterson]
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dave dickson
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 08:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyps
Would he have given the money if there wasn't an election coming soon? Me, cynical, never.........
That £150m would have helped MG Rover introduce a new car model, which would have increased sales, which might have helped secure a deal with another
manufacturer, which would have secured the jobs, which would have meant we still had a domestic volume car manufacturer.
But Tony is sorry about it, so all is well!!!
iirc Rover were/are loosing something like 20 million A MONTH so £150million isnt going to do much at all.
I do agree though that Tony is blatantly buying votes by loaning the company to pay wages.
Yes, its harsh that all these people are without jobs, but its a company like any other, if it does poorly, it will go under. I really dont see why
the government are helping out with taxpayers money (apart from bribes as above). How many other people are being made redundant this month at other
companies across the country? quite a lot I will wager, My father included. His employer is the largest in their town and its closure is a serious
blow to the local economy. I dont see the government stepping in to help though. Not a big enough public profile I guess. Not enough votes to be
bought.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 08:01 PM |
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My dad said that a rover spokesman was on tv the other week and he said that the bridgin loan offer of 120m was no where near enough, and needed to be
at least 10 times that.
So theres no way 150m would have saved Rover....
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 08:02 PM |
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so, if blair did nothing, he would be a heartless bastard!
how does he win?
doenst it make sense to pay the workers for a week while they sort out whats happening?
atb
steve
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dave dickson
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 08:07 PM |
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why should they be paid though? its not a state-run company, so its nothing to do with the government really.
yes that many job lossess will have a small overall effect on the national economy, but why should the government help Rover workers specifically and
not anyone else who is being made redundant?
I saw a thing on the news earlier where some workers families were campaigning for government help to pay their mortgages and car loans. WTF?
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 15/4/05 at 09:10 PM |
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the difference is that its 6k people in the one area all on the job market at the same time. they could, of course, get a job at a local engineering
company, but they are all probably also stuffed by losing rover's business.
what should be taken into account is that this isnt really redundancy. if you are made redundant from a solvent company, they pay the stat redundancy
and normal wages in leiu of notice. all the rover lot are getting is stat redundancy, - no notice at all - which is capped at 280 a week. so, if you
have been there 10 years, you get 2,800 and are in competition with 6k plus other people all trying to get a job.
there are only 40 checkouts in my local tescos, and they dont seem to be manned by hairy car workers. the rate for working all night at tescos is less
than 5.50 an hr.
im glad my 17 year old is doing business studies and not following my footsteps in electronis design. no one makes anything in this country any
friggin more
atb
steve
[Edited on 15/4/05 by stephen_gusterson]
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