rayward
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 07:56 PM |
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Not Good News
saw this on another forum, but could affect us aswell,
apologies if its been posted before.
DVLA Proposals
The DVLA has run a consultation to review the MOT test procedures, as the MOT system will be changed overto a fully-computerised system in '06.
The Government will then have databases of insurance, tax and MOT, so that they know if you are driving without the full compliment of documents. The
reason for this article is the proposed MOT changes.
Effectively as part of the MOT, the Government wants to introduce a check that a vehicle has not been changed significantly from standard without the
DVLA being notified. This has always been the case, but the lack of enforcement has meant we can merrily go around dropping big, or bigger, V8s into
anything. You could then just take your car to the MOT station and, as long as it passed, you'd be good to go.
All this is going to change, because the Government and police have decided to try and do something to reduce car crime and ringing. So, they want a
check incorporated into the MOT, where the tester has to decide whether the car's identity is established, or if the car has been
'radically altered'. If so, the car would be refused an MOT, and you'd have to have the car SVA tested and re-registered, probably
on a Q plate.
This legislation, has not yet been approved by parliament but, if nothing is done to counterit, it surely will be.
As is the case when trying to write an all-encompassing set of rules to establish 'when is a car no longer the car it originally was', the
many varied types of enthusiast car, such as arestored '66 Mustang with modern V8, to an Audi coupe fitted with a blown big-block, could fall in
the new catagory of Radically Altered cars.
As you can imagine, this is going to cause all sorts of arguements around the forecourts of the country when the MOT tester decides that your car
falls outside the rules.
If you have ever had to go through an SVA, you will know that it is more like a strict MOT - where you also have to prove that your car falls within
UK legislation from a construction and use point of view. The SVA inspectors are also looking for signs that the parts your car is built from do not
have a shady past. However, once certain cars can be classified in a certain way, the ones the rules weren't really aimed at are forced through
these procedures, making it difficult to legally build the kind of cars we enjoy.
So people, get it together, write to your MP, or write to us at ACW. We'll keep a file of letters we recieve and submit it to Parliament. The
worst thing we can do is nothing.
Ray
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Gav
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 07:58 PM |
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I Believe that the writers of PPC mag have been campaining against this for quite a while now.
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greggors84
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 08:16 PM |
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It looks like they are automated it a way already.
I had my MOT the other day and the tester who is a friend of the family completed the test quite quickly with me helping with parts. Once he had
finished the test he had to wait a while before submitting the details of the test as a tester friend of his had been doing them in 30 - 35 minutes
and the governing body came in and suspended his licence. So now they wait a while before ending the test so they dont get suspended.
I dont think this will effect us as kitcar/locost builders if we are getting them SVAd in the first place. It will just be people making customs or
changing the cars so it isnt really recognisable as the car stated on the V5.
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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steve_gus
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 08:25 PM |
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why should this be a problem? If the system is intended to record that the car has been altered, it will, by definition, have been recorded. Wouldnt
you simply show the dvla documents expressing that fact to the mot station, who would then be happy.
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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Simon
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 09:03 PM |
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The chap that did my retest mentioned this, and thought the idea was a waste of time and resources.
He said the intention was for ringing etc but would affect all modified cars (including sticking a 1275 in a Mini), but in my book that can be done
just as easily by checking the (for eg) engine number against a database (perhaps the rather large one the DVLA has) for stolen engines.
Thery are also talking about SVA for ALL modified cars (which included the examiners son's Mk2 Escort!)
He wasn't impressed.
ATB
Simon
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MkIndy7
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 09:09 PM |
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It all depends on what they classify as Radically altered, and which side of the fence you are sitting on at the time!.
The SVA although petty at times IS a good thing, as much for the owners as everybody else, if the car is built to a good standard than it will pass
with litte or no problems.
Some kit cars, custom cars, american, or even max power cars that have just been put back on the road with no SVA and the basic MOT seem downright
dangerous, at least this way all radical mods would be safe,
i.e massive engine changes, making a convertable, crazy lowering or even ICE installs etc making sure the brakes, suspension and structural strength
are adequate for the mod.
Although I cannot understand the people that wolud want to put such an unsafe creation on the road if you yourself think it might be a little dodgy it
very probably is! remember its you that will be driving it and your family or friends as passengers!
Atleast it isin't as bad as New Zealand I think I saw on TV where any mod has to be approved.
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bob
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 09:16 PM |
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The system has been in place for at least a year now,when i purchased my car tax online last may i typed in my registration and and the info was
checked in seconds.
They knew i had insurance and a valid MOT so i could then proceed to the next part,it seemed a bit big brotherish but i've got no complaints as
i hate queing at the PO.
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Triton
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 09:50 PM |
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Q plate everytime....
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 09:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Triton
Q plate everytime....
Bugger, my car has parts from 22 different cars and I still got an age related plate!
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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steve_gus
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 11:06 PM |
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one thing i wish - why, if ins co claim to keep a database thats shared between them,,,,, why the heck do you have to answer 50,000 questions each
time you want an online quote?
atb
steve
http://www.locostbuilder.co.uk
Just knock off the 's'!
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bob
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| posted on 22/1/06 at 11:23 PM |
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Steve
I've always thought of it as a lie detection test everytime i phone for a quote
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 23/1/06 at 05:31 AM |
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The one I liked from the insurance company was for my Grananda which had dealer fitted RS body kit.
Insurers. Is the vehicle modified
Me. yes its got the dealer body kit.
Insurers. Ok that makes it modified and increases the insurance.
Me. Right well in that case I will remove them.
Insurers. Ok Mr taylor that will definately make it modified so we would have to increase the premium again.
Guess who didn't get my business.
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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