stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 27/9/04 at 01:06 PM |
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BMW drivers
Ive had a beemer for almost 5 years now. Im beginning to think im doing something wrong.
There seems to be a lot of negativity to BMW drivers on here, and I thought I'd better take a look at my style of driving in case I'm
letting the side down.
I think I need to do these things :
Race up to the back of everyones a$$ and get as close as possible before overtaking.
If overtaking on a straight clear road, try and pass as fast as possible, so that the 18 year old girlie' saxo you passed is left spinning in
the centre of the road by your wake.
Dont indicate before you overtake.
Dont worry that someone is already overtaking you - the bushes and hedges on the other side of the road are quite soft.
Never let anyone out from a side turning.
Overtake into oncoming traffic. Bushes on their side of the road are not strictly necessary.
Anyone pulling out of a side turning should be overtaken as previously described, after rushing up the back of them......
Must paint my windows really dark colour so I look like a drug dealer.
Get sunglasses.
Big bottle of fake tan.
Junk the std bmw radio and fir a massive 3kw thingy. Obviously with gold fuses and 50 quid a metre speaker wire.
Wind down windows whilst driving car throu densely populated area with something suitably loud on the gold fused stereo.
Get the reg changed to summat like K reg instead of a newer plate.
Get it resprayed black.
Flash reflective numberplates are a must.
Fit a twin tail pipe to the exhaust so that people think a 320d is a 330.
make sure I get fully comp insurance cos some d^ck stole it cos they thought it was a 330.....
Once I think I have got this right, its time to go to the next stage...................
SUBARU IMPRETZA, HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATB
steve
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 27/9/04 at 01:25 PM |
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Also don't forget that BMW drivers are exempt from mobile phone laws. In fact I think it might be compulsory to use one at all times whilst
driving, and make sure you use plenty of hand movements to give the impression of being a high flying businessman (either that or an over-paid
pratt).
Also make sure you look the OTHER way as you pull out in front of someone. That way they don't even get the satisfaction of swearing at you.
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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Alez
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| posted on 28/9/04 at 08:37 AM |
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I think this ad was posted here a while ago..
 
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Hellfire
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 posted on 28/9/04 at 09:06 AM |
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Positive Negative
Alez - an old one but still very good
BMW are obviously victims of their own success. The negativity which; not confined to this forum; is quite real. How can anyone blame the car, they
are little more than above average. Reliability I would say below average, as they have more than there fair share of mechanical problems, but they
are not readily publicised.
It's the apparent predisposition that owners of BMW's seem to have in regard to other road users, as jovially stated above.
At the end of the day (lovely cliché) it's a CAR no more, no less. It does a job - period!
Too common, overpriced, over rated IMHO
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 28/9/04 at 02:48 PM |
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my last 3 company cars were a rover 600 - cant remember any real problems.
a mazda 323f zxi - squeaky air con bearing anly fault in 70k miles.
last car was a 318i. 100k.
needed 2 steering joints, 2 sets of disks, a new aircon controller, new electronic thermostat, new header tank cos it split and threw the water
out.
none were stranded at the side of the road, but were one or two niggles.
if you drop the prejudice and try a 3 series thats not low powered - so thats anything before a 2001 318 and smaller - you will find they are prettr
good cars to drive. good handling, quiet, good standards of (plain) trim. and the std equip isnt as bad as it used to be.
my wifes car is half the cost of a beemer, and has more equipment, but doesnt feel quite the same to drive - but you keep 11k in yer pocket!
if you can afford a current 320 diesel, drive one. they are really good cars and id just love to nick the engine for my build. 150hp and masses of
torque. all you BEC guys are doing 10k rpm at 100 - this makes the same power at 2,800 rpm at 100mph! (ok its heavier, but its a lot more
leasurely)
atb
steve
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Mk-Ninja
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| posted on 28/9/04 at 03:30 PM |
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I just assumed that "most" BMW drivers think they owned the road, thinking they had just bought it as part of the cost of the car.
I'm sure I've got one, just don't know where I've put it
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/9/04 at 05:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
Reliability I would say below average, as they have more than there fair share of mechanical problems, but they are not readily publicised.
A good friend of mine has had a few 7 series BMWs, and his tales of woe are ridiculous! he does quite high mileage, but nothing extreme. What
I've heard about so far on various cars includes a total engine replacement (in the first 6 months), a gearbox replacement, various electrical
failures, and so on. As he never keeps his cars past 2 years this is really appaling!
His neighbour also has a Beemer - his best breakdown is when he had a puncture, and found that he couldn't get the wheel off - it had welded
itself to the hub! Needed a new wheel and hub.
I keep suggesting that if he wants a reliable status car then he ought to get a big Lexus, but he won't give up...
rgds,
David
[Edited on 28/9/04 by David Jenkins]
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 28/9/04 at 06:56 PM |
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I have a sticker on the windscreen from hm govt that says I have 
atb
steve
quote:
Originally posted by Mk-Ninja
I just assumed that "most" BMW drivers think they owned the road, thinking they had just bought it as part of the cost of the car.
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JoelP
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| posted on 28/9/04 at 07:03 PM |
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new 530d is a lovely engine - unbelievable. Old M5 (not that old actually, the late 90's shape) is the BM to have. m3s are nice ish but far to
common. id rather a z3m myself, but they're all to expensive to run - i'll stick with the AX for now.
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Alez
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 07:36 AM |
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Petrol Locost
A petrol "clubman" would be a bit like a Ferrari TDI or something???
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 09:26 AM |
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did you get that the wrong way around?
If you extrapolate the 150hp from the 320d to a 4 litre engine, it would produce 300hp.
there are aftermarket chips to increase the power to 180hp, so thats 360 hp then.
the ferrari 360 is about 425 hp.
with the increased torque of the diesel, i bet you wouldnt see a massive difference.
does it really matter what the fuel is?
atb
steve
[Edited on 29/9/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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mackie
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 10:17 AM |
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http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ricardojuddv10.html
Nuff said.
The new twin turbo bmw diesel is meant to be incredible. Over 400lbft (that's more than the new V10 powered M5) and around 270bhp and it still
gets good mpg.
PS. I still boggle at the pressure modern diesel injection systems work at.
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Alez
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 10:31 AM |
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High bhp gives good top speed, bhp / ton gives you good performance.
Also it's not the kind of fuel, it's diesels sound crap!!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 10:58 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alez
High bhp gives good top speed, bhp / ton gives you good performance.
Also it's not the kind of fuel, it's diesels sound crap!!
a diesel engine is no heavier than its petrol equiv - at least not signifcantly
again, try a modern diesel. not as bad as you think...........
atb
steve
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Alez
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 02:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
a diesel engine is no heavier than its petrol equiv - at least not signifcantly
again, try a modern diesel. not as bad as you think...........
atb
steve
I'm sure I'm being stubborn here but for me, the big no-no with modern diesels is complexity, they just have too many things to go wrong
(and actually they go wrong often I'm told). I mean, if we are to compare equivalents, let's compare equivalent complexities and
reliabilities, we then take a complex turbo'd fuel engine and compare its peak power against a modern TDI with the same weight. I don't
think they would be comparable.
PS: And they sound crap..
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 03:15 PM |
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there are things under the bonnet of my car that I dont know what they are doing.
Ive also seen under the bonnet of my mates impretza, and that looks like the insode of a wahing machine - wtf is all that stuff for!
I think Alez that you would prefer the traditional american route - lots of cc's, 2 valves, and a big carb or two.
most modern engines have complex engine management systems - i dont think diesels are any better or worse!
The age of nice simple engines with carbs and contact breakers and no cat started to die about 20 years ago, and well and tryly cakked it in the mid
90's!
atb
steve
ps - sound wise - driving my 320d, you wouldnt know it was a diesel. However, in the morning, or tickover with the windows open is a give away. but
nothing bad.
There are plenty of petrol engines that sound crap anyways......! VW beetle anyone?
[Edited on 29/9/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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chrisg
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 07:53 PM |
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is it BMW's or is it "senior sales executives"(reps) in general?
Sort of "Get out of my way!!!, I've got paper clips to sell!!!!!!"
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 09:01 PM |
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in my company, the hated higher etchelons drive volvo s60.
except our md.
can you believe that, with all the choce available, he has a mondeo estate 2 litre ghia
my car is better!
atb
steve
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mackie
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 11:31 PM |
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Maybe he didn't want to look like a flash git 
Mondeo is a good car.
If I wanted a 20k saloon though it'd be the Accord I think.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 29/9/04 at 11:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mackie
Maybe he didn't want to look like a flash git
Mondeo is a good car.
If I wanted a 20k saloon though it'd be the Accord I think.
I wanted a C230k C class coupe. Gits wouldnt let me have it. My wife also said it was more of a burberry 40's womans car. The 320d was a second
choice.
cmon. given a leasing choice of up to 520 quid a month, would you willingly have a mondeo? My car is 385 a month, as a guideline.
atb
steve
[Edited on 29/9/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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Alez
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| posted on 30/9/04 at 07:56 AM |
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> there are things under the bonnet of my car that I dont know what they are doing.
Let's start a revolution, I propose you take them out one by one randomly, they may be just like humans' appendix, serving no purpose
> most modern engines have complex engine management systems - i dont think diesels are any better or worse!
This is interesting. So, for a similar level of complexity, would you say that a diesel power to weight ratio is comparable to that of a fuel engine?
(That's the question, isn't it?).
I mean, if we think "clubman", our concern should be performance while a lot of these systems were introduced to cut consumption and
emissions (both fuel and petrol engines I mean).
> I think Alez that you would prefer the traditional american route - lots of cc's, 2 valves, and a big carb or two.
This made me think, because actually I don't like these at all. It's like why do it smarter when we can do it bigger.
> The age of nice simple engines with carbs and contact breakers and no cat started to die about 20 years ago, and well and tryly cakked it in the
mid 90's!
That is so true. I'm happy that we no longer have contact breakers anyway, they were a pain.
> ps - sound wise - driving my 320d, you wouldnt know it was a diesel. However, in the morning, or tickover with the windows open is a give away.
but nothing bad.
You wouldn't know it was a diesel probably because you couldn't hear the engine at all.
> There are plenty of petrol engines that sound crap anyways......! VW beetle anyone?
Made me think about a Vauxhall Nova 1.2 I have, sounds very crap.
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mackie
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| posted on 30/9/04 at 08:23 AM |
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For that money I'd probably get a top spec RX8 in black. Actually that'd probably come in way under.
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Alez
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| posted on 30/9/04 at 08:52 AM |
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I have just read a post in an automotive forum (big Spanish forum) reporting just another modern diesel total destruction. This last case is a 170 cv
Seat Leon TDI FR (it has something like 100 cv per litre, so I can imagine that power to weight ratio HAS to be very good). Seriously, I've
heard too many!! Turbos and flow meters seem to fail all the time but also engines seem to fail very often. This time it was a broken camshaft. Sorry
I lack the vocabulary to give more details, but he will need a new engine, and this one has 30.000 kms!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 30/9/04 at 09:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mackie
For that money I'd probably get a top spec RX8 in black. Actually that'd probably come in way under.
you probably would get an rx8 for the money the 320d costs.
however, it wouldnt be company friendly...........
Alez
looking at the bmw site for the car the all up weight figures are :
318 petrol - 143 hp 0-60 in 11 secs 1505kg
320d - 150hp 0-60 in 9.2 secs 1600kg
note - altho somewhere 95 kilo crept in (!!!!) for just 7hp more (about 6% more) the 0-60 went from 11 to 9.3 secs.
sometimes all up weight isnt the main thing - the huge torque of a diesel helps a lot. The 320d produces more torque than the 330 petrol or the 225 hp
impretza
atb
steve
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Alez
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| posted on 30/9/04 at 09:47 AM |
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It would be interesting to see how other types of car compare but this comparison is very interesting, thanks Steve.
Maybe other cars which have a different ratio of car weight / engine weight would compare different (Locosts, supercars, 4x4 are all different).
Interesting, I guess times are changing..
[Edited on 30/9/04 by Alez]
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