andyharding
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 06:31 PM |
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London terror attacks: Should we retaliate?
After the 911 attacks people didn't really seem to support the response in the long run.
When we find out who is responsible for the London attacks what should we do?
Are you a Mac user or a retard?
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jestre
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 06:32 PM |
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guess what I voted for! 
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Danozeman
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 06:40 PM |
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Also sort out Mr Blair. Sorry to all you who like him. I hate the F***er.
Dan
Built the purple peril!! Let the modifications begin!!
http://www.eastangliankitcars.co.uk
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 06:42 PM |
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daft poll to be honest  obviously the hunt keeps on for bin laden and everyone downwards involved in such attacks. I doubt that there is a real
target to retaliate against. Its a war against hate really, but how do you stop people hating you?
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DorsetStrider
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 06:57 PM |
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History shows us that the softly softly approach does not stop terrorism. However setting an example of what will happen if a terror attack is
perpertrated does.
2000 years ago a citizen of rome could walk in safety from one end of the known world to the other.....why?.... because people knew that if anything
happened to them they would be facing the full might of the roman army. That's one hell of a deterent.
Who the f**K tightened this up!
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zilspeed
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 07:01 PM |
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The answer lies somewhere between your two extremes IMHO
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clbarclay
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 07:24 PM |
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Fight in for peace is like bleeping for virginity
[Edited on 7/7/05 by clbarclay]
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scutter
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 07:30 PM |
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Who against and how would you do it?
To kill openly the leaders of a group, will only make them marters, to do it quietly deters the groups but leads to public outcry for doing nothing.
no one can win.
Still when needed then goverments can act.
Dan.
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derf
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 07:33 PM |
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quote:
daft poll to be honest obviously the hunt keeps on for bin laden and everyone downwards involved in such attacks. I doubt that there is a real target
to retaliate against. Its a war against hate really, but how do you stop people hating you?
You cant. The big problem is that the religous extremists see their way of life changing, fast, and they dont like it. This isn't by our own
doing (although we arn't trying to stop it either). It is brought on by the info age, any schmutz with a computer can see everyone elses point
of view in the world. The world is changing and they dont want it too.
This isnt just a problem for the mid east, here in the states, religous right wingers are fighting tooth and nail to impose their views on a rapidly
changing society. Religon has been left in the dust as a link to "the old world", and those that are fighting hard to keep it are getting
more and more radical.
Religion is useful and relevant in the modern world, but people as a whole have to be shown that and excited by the fact that religion can be
relevant, religous leaders arn't doing that.
Anyway, back to the relevant question shoot the fu(kers, hunt them down and let them die a horrible death.
One thing that I do cautiuon though, dont hate folks of middle eastern decent, even though it's easy to point the finger at them. Hopefully the
right people will be caught and appropriatly punnished. Freedom should be for all, without regard to race, creed, religion, or sex, it is a valuable
comodity that is in short supply. If we take the freedom of one group because they are from Saudi, then we have lost the war before the first shot can
even be fired.
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Benzine
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 08:23 PM |
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If fire fighters fight fire, and crime fighters fight crime...what do freedom fighters fight?
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marcyboy
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 08:44 PM |
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one vote for let em off with a warning...
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Monkey Man
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| posted on 7/7/05 at 09:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marcyboy
one vote for let em off with a warning...
It's not so much that I'd let them off with a warning. It's just that despite that being a rubbish option it was the only
alternative to blowing people up which I don't agree with.
It's quite difficult to blow up suicide bombers what with them being dead already. That and any retaliation would be against people who had
nothing to do with these terrible events which would make us just as bad as the people who planted the bombs in the first place.
_If_ the people responsible are still alive and can be found then chuck them in jail and throw away the key.
Given that Al quaeda is not a country and exists in small cells in countries throughout the world, how do you blow the bleep out of them without 1)
going to war with all the countries in question and 2) killing innocent people in the process?
No easy answer, sorry.
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spunky
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I was a bit too young to fully appreciate the implications when the IRA were bombing the mainland a lot less socially aware.
Having watched the news all day and seen the images I feel truly violated. How dare they do this.
To be perfectly honest when the people responsible are found I would like to see their heads impaled on the railings of the Tower of London and left
there to rot.
As much as I am dissolutioned by this country and the way the government are running it I cannot shake the deep seated patriotism.
Todays events are merely a shot across the bows compared to the atrocities these extremists are capable of.
We are about to 'retire' our trident missiles. I can think of one last job for the to do.....
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 12:29 AM |
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ok al quaeda or rather a group strongly associated with them have claimed it as their doing and we know this tanks to the germans like it has been
said you cannot target al quaeda with bombs as they exist as individuals or small groups in different countries all across the world not just in the
middle east ..
what some people have said not so much on here bot on other forums is that we should be alot stricter on who we let into the country in the first
place but they dont realise it is not alwas people who have just come into the country and infact previously it has bene proven that terroist actions
in the capital were infact the brainchild and actions of a group of extremists who were infact 4th generation born in england !! we cannot always jump
to the conclusion that it is foregners and i hate the way people stereo type .... you cannot blow them to kingdom come because there will always be
some other nutter who looks back on what they did and thinks hey thats a good idea ... you cannot kill every extremist psychopath because you dont
know who will be one
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derf
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 12:54 AM |
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when you have a few minutes tommorrow, go to the store and buy a Union Jack Flag, and show your patriotism show the world that in the wake of tradjedy
people are better than those who wish to hurt you.
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Cita
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 02:23 AM |
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What are "they" trying to reach?
A comparrison was made with the bombing actions of the IRA,but their goal was clear:getting independance from England.
What is Bin Laden (if he's responsable for it) after with this bombing?
That the western world will be turned into a muslim society?
I never have seen a clear explanation of why these actions are taking place and what the goal is.
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Rorty
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 05:23 AM |
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I cringe when I see the might of the Western World arrogantly dismissing foreign issues. To either retaliate against, humiliate or disuade peoples of
different persuasions, firstly you have to think on their level and get inside their psyche. Only then can you make some headway.
As someone already pointed out, it's very easy to make martyrs of some fundamentalists, but by understanding them, it may be possible to affect
them on their level.
The current climate of terrorism can't really be compared to the IRA's campaign of the seventies and eighties. A lot of the attrocities
carried out by the IRA back then were no more than thuggery and extreme standover tactics thinly disguised as a nationalist cause.
The majority of the current middle-eastern terrorists are fundamentalists who take their cause very seriously and will go to extreme lengths (seldom
understood or appreciated by westerners) for their cause.
I never heard of any Irish nationalist who intentionally blew himself up, though a handful of them did manage to remove themselves from the gene pool
whilst laying or throwing bombs!
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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niceperson709
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 05:25 AM |
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"What is Bin Laden (if he's responsable for it) after with this bombing?
That the western world will be turned into a muslim society?
I never have seen a clear explanation of why these actions are taking place and what the goal is."
I can't give a definative answer but the basic aim of most fundamentalists is to impose their vission of this world and the next upon the entire
planet . They think that the next world is more important than this one and that only they are going to heven and that they will gain enty for their
families as well if they die for Islam.
The trouble is that they are impervious to a negotiated settlement and will only stop when they achieve their goals . Under these circumstances We
(western culture et al) have two choices find the perpertrators and promoters of this mad ideology and kill them or submit . Me I vote for the former
Iain
Best wishes IAIN
life is not the rehearsal , it's the show so don't sit there thinking about it DO IT NOW
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 05:43 AM |
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the security services know who they are and where thry meet,but the pc brigade stops them,take your boots off and make an apointment to raid a
mosque??????
all mosques should be closed down,all known terrorists and their mates should be deported,they are wanted in other countries that use the death
penalty.
bring back the death penalty,boil them in pig fat!
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Triton
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 07:21 AM |
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Wankers......but what do you do, it be would like fighting in the dark with your hands behind your back.
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Jumpy Guy
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 07:57 AM |
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guys, come on.. this is the responsibility of the commited extremists, with very little to do with most Muslims...
the "christian" armies of central africa murder thousands every year.
are the christians on this website responsible for that? dont think so.
as for the poll, i'd second someone elses option- somewhere between the two options.
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JonBowden
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 08:30 AM |
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A few have questioned the motives for the bombings. I think they are fairly clear :
Western countries should leave Iraq and Afghanistan.
America should stop supporting Israel.
Jon
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Noodle
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 08:47 AM |
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<Flippancy engaged>When captured, put them in tight white t-shirts and leather trousers. Then send 'em to Brighton.
That should be a suitably humiliating yet amusing punishment. </Flippancy engaged>
Good old Freddy Nietzsche thought Christianity was not the religion of universal love, but rather people used it as another way of branding themselves
so they could disapprove and hate those who weren't Christians.
Into the 21st Century, one could extrapolate that across any mainstream religious movements. His arguments were born of his Germanic experiences, but
readily apply to any of the religious "armies". They're just looking for someone to hate.
I'm afraid that the ideologies are too far apart (Western democratic vs. a sort of eastern 'tribal' ) for there to be a meaningful
settlement. We could do with an all-powerful benevolent ruler (a la Machiavelli) who could set a few examples. This is akin to the Roman analogy given
above. Incur the wrath and it's going to hurt.
Mrs. Thatcher effectively tried that by sending in the SAS to Ireland where they descended upon the IRA like a plague and murdered their operatives.
Highly naughty and no doubt downright illegal, but it halted them and brought them back to the mainstream where their issues can be discussed
rationally.
Cheers,
Neil.
[Edited on 8/7/05 by Noodle]
Your sort make me sick
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Benzine
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 08:53 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Noodle
Good old Freddy Nietzsche thought Christianity was not the religion of universal love, but rather people used it as another way of branding themselves
so they could disapprove and hate those who weren't Christians.
I just finished reading 'The Antichrist' a few weeks ago, t'was a fascinating read.
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Jumpy Guy
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| posted on 8/7/05 at 01:15 PM |
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interesting that a steady 11-12 % have gone for option 2.
i think a lot would go for option 3-
"Find the guilty and try them, then put them in jail for a very long time"
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