Jon Ison
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:26 PM |
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Smoking ban ???
As a smoker it will affect me, would never ever smoke around anyones kids, in anyone's home including my own, around anyone eating food but do
enjoy a smoke with a drink, personally would have liked too have seen maybe a separate room with no bar so staff don't have too enter rather
than a total ban, guess the can of worms is now open.........
disscuss
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donut
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:32 PM |
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Thats the trouble with this country, it's either one thing or another. No one seems to want to work out a solution.
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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flak monkey
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:32 PM |
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I *think* its only coming into effect in scotland, not england...yet.
I dont smoke, and dont enjoy being around people who do smoke. Its not nice when you come home from a night out reeking of the stuff.
If people want to smoke, by all means do it, but away from me, and dont expect the NHS to pay for your healthcare if you contract any smoking related
illnesses.
(I know a few people who have died from smoking related illnesses, and even this has not stopped their families smoking - its rediculous, given the
fact that dying of something like lung cancer isnt quick, painless, and is rather messy from the stories I have heard  )
Edit: Just a thought. The ban will only apply in public places (such as bars) and not in private clubs. Our union put forward a motion to ban smoking,
the majority said that it should be banned. However the union over-turned it on the grounds that they would loose huge amounts of money. (You think
the government is bad!)
[Edited on 15/2/06 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:33 PM |
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I perform music in clubs and pubs, and as a non smoker I can say its really awful trying to sing/breath in a busy club, (remember poor old Roy Castle,
passive smoking).
Although it sounds great to me , I would be surprised if it applied to clubs , they would only have to ban drinking now and they would be completely
empty!!
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bilbo
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:37 PM |
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I know I shouldn't wade into this argument, but what the hell.... 
I'm not a smoker, but this argument about the NHS always comes up in these sorts of discussions. I think it's important to point out that
the cost to the NHS caused by smokers is far far LESS that the amount of tax smokers pay for their habit. If all smokers suddenly stopped, the NHS and
other public services would be in trouble.
Here are the stats:
Cost to NHS - 1.5bn per year
Tax paid to treasury - 8bn per year!!
[Edited on 15/2/06 by bilbo]
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:40 PM |
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At the risk of getting into an argument....
"If people want to smoke, by all means do it, but away from me, and dont expect the NHS to pay for your healthcare if you contract any smoking
related illnesses."
The same could be said if someone as too come and cut people out of a car after an accident that's there fault ?
I tried too make it clear in the 1st post I'm happy too respect all non smokers and not smoke anywhere near them, separate room.
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James
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:43 PM |
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As a commited anti-smoker I'm pleased about the ban. 
I'm fed up with the fact that one of the consequences of going out is that I come back stinking of stale fag smoke.
In addition to that (and I know that some will disagree with this) I think it's pretty well accepted that not only do I now stink of fag smoke
I've also damaged my health.
Some places are so bad that I can't stay in them for long.
Now, of course, you could say if you don't like it, don't go in the pub. But should it really be the case that a minority (and it *is* a
minority as less than 50% of adults smoke) are allowed to ruin the enjoyment (and adversely affect the health) of the majority.
As for the sealed room business that you mention Jon, I don't honestly think it's very practical. Staff would still have to go in the room
to collect glasses, empty the ashtrays(!!!) and, if no other reason, just for security reasons.
All in all I'm glad. Apart from that fact that clubs will now stink of stale sweat instead of stale fag smoke!!! 
All the best,
James
P.S. Oh, and it's believed that 700,000 smokers will quit as a result... that can only be a good thing in my opinion!
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
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JoelP
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:47 PM |
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my girlfriend stopped 5 weeks ago, so its a bit late to help me! But it will make it a lot easier for the 70% of smokers who say they want to stop.
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Benzine
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:55 PM |
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I hate going out and sitting around a table with friends (most of which smoke). If one smoked that would mildy annoy me but the thing with smokers
when they drink (and in general) is that they ALL LIGHT UP AT THE SAME TIME  I have nothing against people smoking, just wish it was only
allowed in private/outdoors. My freshly washed hair stinks after a night out 
I still think alcohol is worse than smoking yet the laws on that seem more lenient that ever
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muzchap
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 05:59 PM |
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I smoked 20 day for 14 years.
Then paid £50 to have hypnosis (locally) - I haven't smoked since.
I always said I'd quit before 30.
I'm 30 this year. I think people should have the freedom of choice.
PASSIVE SMOKING? Last of your concerns if you live in an urban area - pollution is worse!
Also - I'm sick and tired of the 'SPIN' on smoking - if it wasn't FOR smokers - the country would be bankrupt...
Interesting to see how it pans out.
That's just my opinion - I do not wish to offend those with a different opinion
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If you believe you're not crazy, whilst everybody is telling you, you are - then they are definitely wrong!
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locogeoff
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 06:29 PM |
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Nice quote of facts there bilbo
Hey lets consider this,
"I dont like noisy exhausts, noise pollution is a shocking blight on our peace, in fact lets stop people running modified cars at all, one of
those modified cars ran over my mother/dog/budgiriggar, they all go too fast, so if they crash lets not give them healthcare, if they are involved in
an accident its their fault cause they where using a modified vehicle, remember Kirsty Mcoll she was killed by a modified vehicle"
Think about it!
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jock
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 06:31 PM |
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smoking
hi if everyone stops whare is the guverment going to get the tax from. thay will get it out you sum
how
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flak monkey
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 06:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
Nice quote of facts there bilbo
Hey lets consider this,
"I dont like noisy exhausts, noise pollution is a shocking blight on our peace, in fact lets stop people running modified cars at all, one of
those modified cars ran over my mother/dog/budgiriggar, they all go too fast, so if they crash lets not give them healthcare, if they are involved in
an accident its their fault cause they where using a modified vehicle, remember Kirsty Mcoll she was killed by a modified vehicle"
Think about it!
Noise - Thats why there is a noise level restriction at SVA
Fast - acceleration wise yes, but top speed no. Infact no more dangerous than any other car on the road, infact most are probably driven with more
care/skill than the average driver gives in his tintop.
Sorry the argument doesnt compare 
PS Smoking is a habit, and a bad one at that, it causes nothing but harm to the smoker and more importantly those around them. There really is NO
excuse to smoke at all, none!
[Edited on 15/2/06 by flak monkey]
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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smart51
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 06:33 PM |
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Smoking should be banned fully if you think about it. Smoking any other drug is illegal. The only reason it hasn't been totally banned is that
so many people do it.
There is nothing else that you are allowed to do in public that can affect my health and on that ground alone, smoking infront of non-smokers should
not be alowed.
Smoking kills half of its users. It damages the health of the others as well as of many non-smokers. Other people's smoke causes serious
illness in 1 in 4 non-smokers who live in the same house as a smoker. Serious illness upto and including death.
Smokers often use the flawed arguement that they have a right to choose to damage their own health if they are that stupid. they miss the point.
Smokers don't and should not have a right to damage or risk my health. A smoking ban is to protect me from the likes of you, not to protect you
from yourself.
In time smoking will be completley banned. Not soon enough.
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tri
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 06:37 PM |
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i work in a shop that self them so i see alot of people coming to buy them they look old and really ill and sound "rough" i am glad of the
ban if it stops people doing it but as it has been said they should do something different and not a full ban also working in shop where boss smokes
and i smell of smoke after work if it was a pub wouldn't mind but not working in local shop
Tri
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greggors84
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 06:58 PM |
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I went to Dublin over New years and they have a smoking ban inside pubs and clubs over there.
Problem was instead of smelling of smoke, as soon as you walked in the smell of farts hit you! Took a while to get used to, where as i think im used
to the smoke now.
Could have been all the Guiness drinkers though!
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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gttman
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 07:12 PM |
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I don't think smoking should be completely banned...... just put the tax up another couple of hundred % on fags and let the smokers decide if
they want to give up....
This would also help price kids out of starting.
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jon_boy
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 07:16 PM |
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I hate the argument of dont give smokers healthcare! As someone above said, car accident victims shouldnt get help if they crash, footballers if they
break their legs...... where would it stop. I think the ban is good even though i smoke. Those who want to still smoke can go outside, those who dont
can now stay inside the clubs that stink of vomit and cheap perfume. Woo Hoo.
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 07:18 PM |
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Sorry Jon but I've got to take issue with you here! I have a lot of respect for most of what you post on here BUT.
You say you don't smoke in your OWN house so why the hell should you have the right to stink out someone elses property? Even if it is a
commercial premisis.
The separate room idea is crap too!
One of our local pubs has just been refurbished as a restaurant and sent out flyers claiming "seperate smoking rooms". Being non-smokers
SWMBO and I thought we'd giv it a go last Sunday. We still came out after 2 hours stinking like filthy ash trays because the
"seperate" smoking room was connected to the rest of the place by a central bar.
ps. The food was Shite too.
[Edited on 15-2-06 by BKLOCO]
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 07:43 PM |
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Cambridge has had a non smoking pub for the best part of 20 years, people said it would go bankrupt within 6 months but turnover increased . Now there
is at least 3 , Must admit I don't use my local very often as I smell like an old ash tray after . Most of my family smoke or have smoked but I
do like the choice of not passive smoking . A lot of old pubs had smoke rooms years ago and cinema's had a "smoking side" but smoke
drifts into non smoking areas. If people want to smoke that's up to them but do it away from others that don't
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smart51
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 07:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by locogeoff
noise pollution is a shocking blight on our peace
There are laws preventing too much noise. A small amount of noise in daytime hours doesn't affect anyones health whereas a small amount of
tobacco smoke does. The affect of smoke is cumulative. A little bit here, a little bit there, your health is put at risk because smokers are too
inconsiderate/ too ignorant / too weak to control their adiction.
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 08:00 PM |
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I don't smoke, but I don't mind others doing it
Don't you think there are just too many laws?
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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locogeoff
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 08:04 PM |
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Flak and Smart51 think you missed my point
Today its smokers, when are the government going to get round to BANNING non standard cars
[Edited on 15/2/06 by locogeoff]
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 08:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
Sorry Jon but I've got to take issue with you here! I have a lot of respect for most of what you post on here BUT.
You say you don't smoke in your OWN house so why the hell should you have the right to stink out someone elses property? Even if it is a
commercial premisis.
The separate room idea is crap too!
One of our local pubs has just been refurbished as a restaurant and sent out flyers claiming "seperate smoking rooms". Being non-smokers
SWMBO and I thought we'd giv it a go last Sunday. We still came out after 2 hours stinking like filthy ash trays because the
"seperate" smoking room was connected to the rest of the place by a central bar.
ps. The food was Shite too.
[Edited on 15-2-06 by BKLOCO]
No need too shout.........maybe you need to sit down with a fag n calm down a bit come outside and have one, i'll be the geezer by the patio
heater
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 15/2/06 at 08:18 PM |
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I'll let you into a secret Jon....Shushhhhh don't tell anyone else.....I USED TO SMOKE 40 A DAY. sorry did I just shout. There really is
no one as bloody sanctimonious (spelling?) as a reformed smoker.
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!!
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