DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:05 PM |
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Another building related job!
Right, there may be more/different plans afoot! I know I should stop looking at old buildings for sale, but I just can't help myself! I've
spotted a nice 1801 built church near Kingston-upon-Hull. A local surveying/architect firm reckons it should get planning permission for change of
use, but I appreciate this isn't a certainty. Any one able to give me a rough idea of what is involved with converting such a building to
residential use? Is it generally a case of slapping in a kitchen, bathroom etc and away you go? The structure is supposed to be sound, and is wind and
water tight, so shouldn't need much/anything in the way of structural works, apart from that required to put a second floor/mezzanine in. Also,
any one know of a rough costing per sq/m for this kind of work at all? I'd be looking to do most of the work myself, where possible, so that
should reduce things a fair bit. I wouldn't be too fussed about time scales, but it would need to be liveable within a few weeks (to stop the
boss complaining), if that makes any difference to things.
Any other help is much appreciated.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:07 PM |
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Oh, it looks like this
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:08 PM |
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And this
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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JoelP
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:09 PM |
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you will probably need building control involved and a structural engineer when it comes to putting a second floor in. Might get costly but maybe not.
The work itself is easy, and doing it to the regs is easy if someone gives you a specification, ie joist sizes etc. There may be fire regs to worry
about.
I know a man who can do the kitchen if required! 
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:09 PM |
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And hopefully with this window
Oh, how the heck do you persuade it to put more than 1 pic in a post?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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JoelP
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:10 PM |
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regarding planning permission, ring the local office up for an informal chat. Its a mine of info once you get them talking! Can save an awful lot of
headache.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:12 PM |
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Joel, if the plan comes off, which isn't overly likely, but you never know, you may have just earned your self a few bob!
Do you know any builders in that area at all as well?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Aboardman
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:24 PM |
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you mean something like this
http://www.fineandcountry.com/site/php/propertyDetails.php?id=442520&type=Buy
we are working with the guy who did this on a new development he is doing.
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Aboardman
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:31 PM |
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or like this was done local to me.
http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/upload/pdf/10_06_0646.pdf
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/search/display.var.1550755.0.familys_new_house_has_a_room_with_a_pew.php
or the grand designs one
http://www.channel4.com/4homes/ontv/grand-designs/houses/B/birmingham_church.html
[Edited on 14/8/07 by Aboardman]
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:41 PM |
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The first one would be nice, but maybe a bit posh for me! I'm only a humble country lad at heart! And SWMBO would shout the place down the first
time I come in with oily hands!
Cheers for those links for the planning stuff, I've been looking for something like that!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Aboardman
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:51 PM |
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i will have a look at work to see if we have the plans for the first one, we are working on his next development and i know we have some additional
photos of the church as it was converted.
it should be a straight forward planning application, you could even try getting planning without owning the property. however i would recommand that
a contract is drawn up to stop someone else buying the property whilst you wait or the price increasing if planning is granted.
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 09:59 PM |
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Hmmm, good plan that! Will give the agents a call in the morning! Is planning permission granted to a person or to a building? If the sale of my house
etc falls through can the planning permission be retained by another buyer?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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Aboardman
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 10:17 PM |
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planning is granted to the building.
you should get a contract of some kind drawn up as you could get the planning and then he could sell to someone else or put the price up, but also if
you cannot complete then he has a property worth more and you should be able to get something in the contract about you getting some costs back.
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tul214
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 11:13 PM |
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DIYSi,
I'm not far from Hull...where is the church?
1.6 Raw Super6 sold
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DIY Si
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| posted on 14/8/07 at 11:33 PM |
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It's out Withernsea way.
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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jollygreengiant
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 03:33 AM |
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Planning permission can only be obtained by someone who owns the property that permission applies to. 
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Hmmm, good plan that! Will give the agents a call in the morning! Is planning permission granted to a person or to a building? If the sale of my house
etc falls through can the planning permission be retained by another buyer?
Beware of the Goldfish in the tulip mines. The ONLY defence against them is smoking peanut butter sandwiches.
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Aboardman
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 05:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Planning permission can only be obtained by someone who owns the property that permission applies to.
quote:
Originally posted by DIY Si
Hmmm, good plan that! Will give the agents a call in the morning! Is planning permission granted to a person or to a building? If the sale of my house
etc falls through can the planning permission be retained by another buyer?
Sorry but anyone can make the application does not have to be the owner.
If you are not the owner you have to serve notice on the owner and fill in certificate B (so better to do the application with the owner consent). if
you do not know the owner than a certificate C and a newspaper advert is required.
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gazza285
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 05:21 AM |
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Who's going to dig up the garden then?
DO NOT PUT ON KNOB OR BOLLOCKS!
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t.j.
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 05:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
Who's going to dig up the garden then?
Was just thinking the same.
I think that's a lot off work.
Would be nice to dig "them" up 
A church has no double walls, so isolation has to be done.
Isn't it a building which is a "historical" building, which leads to minor changes to it?
good luck, it is a cool thing to have.
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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DIY Si
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 06:31 AM |
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Most of the graveyard is staying as a graveyard! In fact, the southern part of it will remain technically active, but since there isn't much in
the way of people living there any more, that may mean 1 burial every year or less. I don't think there'd be a great deal of gardening
going on to be honest, but I have yet to receive the full plans for the area included with the church itself.
The planning permission is mainly required for change of use, from a church to a residential status.
Halloween at my place anyone?
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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t.j.
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 06:35 AM |
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Halloween at my place anyone?
, you creep!
Please feel free to correct my bad English, i'm still learning. Your Dutch is awfull! :-)
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pewe
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 10:10 AM |
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Si, interesting though the project is there are two things you may want to consider:- 1) apart from the obvious cost of converting it what about
heating the place? Some friends have a barn conversion and their heating bills -oil fired - are ENORMOUS - even to the extent they have fans in the
ceiling to force the warm air down to ground level in winter!!
2)We caravan(!) and one year in the middle of a hot summer had to move from a site due to the stench coming from an adjacent graveyard when the air
was changing from hot to cold in the late evening - it was very unpleasant to say the least.
Cheers, Pewe 
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richardR1
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 12:01 PM |
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I'm in Hull, run a small building firm with my mate so if you wanted anyone in the trade to meet you there to give you some ideas just give me a
shout.
MK Owners Club Member 1015
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DIY Si
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 03:18 PM |
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Pewe, fair point about the running costs of such a place, I'm hoping to put a mezzanine in, which will hopefully help keep it all a bit warmer.
Never heard that about the graveyard smell, and I lived across the road from one for 20 years!
Richard, you may get a U2U in the next week!
“Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
My new blog: http://spritecave.blogspot.co.uk/
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DarrenW
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| posted on 15/8/07 at 03:41 PM |
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Local planning departments are usually very friendly. Its worth a chat about the prospect of achieving planning and local building control might point
you in the right direction ref reading material in terms of what will be involved to convert. I believe the planner wont give you a definitive answer
but should be able to suggest if its worth an application or not. After that a good architect should be able to advise what is involved in drawing up
plans and costs to convert.
Is it listed? This will also give you a lead in terms of other considerations you will need to make.
Has it been in regular use or stood idle and subject to vandalisation for several years. Im sure local planning would prefer it to be used for
something useful rather than being left open for abuse etc.
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