Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 07:49 PM |
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We are not getting a pm, just a comedy double act.........
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bmseven
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 07:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
We are not getting a pm, just a comedy double act.........
Too true, but they aint even funny
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 07:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
Joel, I thought the B of E always set the base interest rates.
Was it not New Labour who took the control of the banks away from the B of E? ... Hence the banks running away with themselves unchecked?
Fozzie
Not 100% sure; but as far as i can see, the BoE has been calling the shots on interest rates since 1997. Before that i believe it was the gov.
Pretty much correct. It was always the BoE that set the rate, but until 1997 the BoE came under government control. Gordon Brown actually did
something right and made the Bank of England independant within about a week of Labour winning the election.
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sonic
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 07:57 PM |
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I don't get how my vote can be used to advance another i didnt vote for or want as PM.
Ie I voted Libdem and i didnt vote for the Torie now my vote has been used to put torie in power,I don't think that is right at all.
To me if you have an election and you don't get a 326 majority on your own then one of two things should happen
1/ You havent got enough votes to oust the current goverment so they stay in power or
2/ you have to set a date for a reelection and seek majority votes
Just my opinion
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:02 PM |
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I also remeber the 15% mortgage rates under the tories NOT NICE at all for a young mand with a house and 2 kids with SWMBO at home not earning.
As I see it now here is the biggest problem
WHO is going to pay for it all ( the taxpayer that's WHO)
So we work harder and longer ( cause thats how we are) to bring ourselves to a level we want to be at but we pay more tax.
BUT the dole scroungers and wasters who won't work ( not dissing those on here who were unfortunate to lose their jobs) and have no intentions
of ever working will If I am correct STILL HAVE the same level of benefit HOW THE FECK DOES THAT WORK EH
So work and pay more OR be a lazy useless scrounging waster and stay on the same level.
I believe that if taxes go up by say 5% then ALL types of benefits should come down by 5%. Seems only fair that we should all suffer the same to get
the country back on its feet.
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
I believe that if taxes go up by say 5% then ALL types of benefits should come down by 5%. Seems only fair that we should all suffer the same to get
the country back on its feet.
another great locostbuilders policy, Fozzie, hope your jotting these down for the October election.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sonic
To me if you have an election and you don't get a 326 majority on your own then one of two things should happen
1/ You havent got enough votes to oust the current goverment so they stay in power or
2/ you have to set a date for a reelection and seek majority votes
Just my opinion
1 I think thats what Gordon hoped too!!
2 Could well happen yet. Lets see if the Lib/Con parties bring about this electoral reform they talk of and then call a new election. Clearly they are
going to group together to make the system work more for themselves. The boundary changes have worked in favour of Labour over recent years so hardly
a new concept to attempt to rig the elections to a certain very minor extent
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flak monkey
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:20 PM |
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I dont think it will last very long as has already been said the Tories and Libs are so far apart on policies its unbelievable.
Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the improvements
made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no reason to
pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing.
I also wonder how long it will be before everything else is privatised as well.
Time will tell. Maybe they are different form the Tories of old. But I doubt it.
I somehow doubt the bankers that got us in this mess ever vote/voted labour anyway.
I certainly didnt vote for the Libs to allow them to get into power the one party I didnt want to get in!
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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jeffw
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:26 PM |
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We are not getting a pm, just a comedy double act.........
Compared with the serious statesmen over the last 13 years ? At least Mandy hasn't resigned for something dodgy this week...rock of the Labour
party indeed. Good riddance to a morally, politically and financially bankrupt party.
My one dream is independence for Scotland, then the Labour party will never again get into power in Westminster. In the local constituency to me the
Labour candidate got less than 8% of the vote 
[Edited on 11/5/10 by jeffw]
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blakep82
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:30 PM |
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jeffw
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:31 PM |
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Mind you Heseltine still looks like his Spitting Image puppet
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jeffw
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Good riddance to a morally, politically and financially bankrupt party.
And welcome to a new one ? (sorry two new ones) all morals have gone through the window already, the finance comes from a non resident and as for the
politics, no ones knows what condem politics are yet so I reserve judgment on that
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jeffw
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:39 PM |
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non resident
Something I believe Lord Paul, the Labour Party support, has an issue with as well...
Anyway Jon, lets get back to more serious issues.....No BECs for Mallory 6hr next week, shocking isn't it, what are your thoughts ?
[Edited on 11/5/10 by jeffw]
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
I believe that if taxes go up by say 5% then ALL types of benefits should come down by 5%. Seems only fair that we should all suffer the same to get
the country back on its feet.
another great locostbuilders policy, Fozzie, hope your jotting these down for the October election.
Yep makes good sense ... lower 'their' dole/benefits .... on a sliding scale ....as some people will be on the dole because of job
losses...not because they are lazy ar$es.. 
Seems as though a few of us were trying to bring up a young family back then.....I had 3 young'uns ... work/employment was what you could
get..not what you wanted.....OH worked 7 days for a pittance....I used to get the bairns ready for their bed, and go out to work until midnight..5
days a week......just to pay the bills.....
One good thing came out of it though.....we learnt how to feed a family on next to nowt.... ....
Sadly, with the Banks needing to be bailed out, and the national debt we now have and the reserves we have lost (thanks Gordie), of course it is left
to us to us to pay for it ...
To get the 'lazy louts' off the dole..we need to make it more attractive for people to start new business's, and for those new and
old business's to employ more people......more people into the work place... equals fewer for 'us' to have to fork out for their
dole benefits ....
IMHO of course ...
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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bmseven
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:45 PM |
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Not to mention the immigrants that they'l do nothing about !
BMW 7 Resource
Bures Pit anyone?
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JoelP
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:49 PM |
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also, why the rush to pay off the deficit? Debt has two bad aspects, firstly the interest is wasted, and secondly if you look like you're
struggling then it can suddenly get a lot more expensive. So all we need to do is take sufficient steps to keep the AAA credit rating, and aim to be
square in 10 or 20 years. There's no point slashing spending so much and increasing tax so much that the country falls apart and the economy
stalls again.
I think people have a bee under their bonnets about the debt, whats a trillion quid between mates?
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:49 PM |
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Who remembers this spoof clip??
linky
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jeffw
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 08:53 PM |
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We now pay more in interest payments on the national debt than the whole defence budget...think on that.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
also, why the rush to pay off the deficit? Debt has two bad aspects, firstly the interest is wasted, and secondly if you look like you're
struggling then it can suddenly get a lot more expensive. So all we need to do is take sufficient steps to keep the AAA credit rating, and aim to be
square in 10 or 20 years. There's no point slashing spending so much and increasing tax so much that the country falls apart and the economy
stalls again.
I think people have a bee under their bonnets about the debt, whats a trillion quid between mates?
You said it yourself - the interest payments in the long term are a killer. £50 billion or so a year just on paying for previous government borrowing?
Hardly what you really want is it in the long term.
Put another way - the repayments of interest only will be about 1.5 times the total Defence budget, and approximately half of the NHS total budget.
Jeff you beat me to it!! ^^
[Edited on 11/5/10 by Paul TigerB6]
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mad4x4
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:13 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by CRAIGR
He should have resigned 13 years ago.[
Yeah 
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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Fozzie
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:13 PM |
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Originally posted by flak monkey
.........Hopefully though the Libs will have enough sway to keep the Tories in check before they wreck the NHS, schools etc again. After all the
improvements made in the last 13 years it would be a shame to see it all go backwards. Yes its cost a lot of money to get them this far, but theres no
reason to pull that investment back out which is what they are talking about doing..........
You cannot be serious!?! 
I think Labour have already wrecked the NHS, the money that has been poured into them by Labour didn't go on Doctors, Nurses or patients.....it
went to employ managers and other pen pushers, taking much needed money and resources away from patient care and equipment too......and lets not start
about the state of the hospitals.....if you can find one that is......they are being closed down left right and centre ......
Try and get an appointment to see your GP? ...no, they are so overstretched, you are lucky if you only have to wait a week for an appointment.....and
the GP's practices have just had a budget cap/reduction.....so that was not going to get better any time soon!
Schools education? ...... that has never been in such a state, the standards are abysmal, siblings have to go to different schools miles apart, and we
are talking infants here ... the 5-7 age group that cannot get on a bus themselves...... No new schools being built, their playing fields being sold
off, Techs and C of F.Ed. closing down through lack of funding........There is nowt left to ruin.....
Labour has already done it!
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:19 PM |
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but the unelected (what goes around comes around) condems are poles apart on the deficit ?
and to pick up of Fozzies point re work, business", it was a Labour funded initiative that kick started our current business, all the tories
ever did for us was tell us to "eat grass" Shame the help we had 3 years ago wasn't around then ?
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:23 PM |
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Fozzie, you need to move, 3 new schools within 10 miles and 2 new hospitals within 30 miles.
Doctors, ring them at 8.30 see them before 10.00, think you need to change your local MP
Check ours out, the Beast of Bolsover, check his attendance record and expenses to.
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:27 PM |
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^^^^ Well said Fozzie. Too interested in statistics, league tables and meeting targets and forgetting what these services are supposed to be about in
the first place.
Just look at the SATS boycott in schools over the past few days. The police spend all their time filling in forms rather than doing their job, and
when they do they seem to target the easily solved "crime" such as motorists etc (not that they are trying to meet any targets - honest
guv!). The MoD has more pen pushers than soldiers. The NHS is awash with the bureaucrats too.
Madness. We want more nurses!! I'll have 2 please............ in sexy nurses outfits preferably!!
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motorcycle_mayhem
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| posted on 11/5/10 at 09:28 PM |
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I'm afraid that greed, not limited to the political classes, will ensure that things can only get worse whatever.
Me? I have a few hopes left, that the debt and public sector overhead can be reduced. Further that an environment can exist where 'real'
business/industry can be nurtured and not just taxed to death.
I'm a redundant industrial Chemist, having seen the industry dive over recent years... would be great if we got back to the 'old'
incentives the industry once had -such as tax benefits to invest in R+D in the UK.
I appear to be on the scrapheap in my middle 40's...
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