MikeR
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 02:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
As for MikeR's comments than all drugs are addictive and they all harm you
Thats a bit of a miss quote - i said "drugs are 'MOSTLY' highly addictive.
I accept / agree that some are not addictive - although the effects of the drug / the act of taking them can be. I believe (could be wrong)
nicotine's effects leave the body in 48 hours, unfortunately people still have long term addiction to it due to their body / brain craving the
effects.
I think 'e' is an interesting debate when it comes to drugs. Its one of the few i think research should be conducted into legallising a
state manufactured version. I'm not saying it should be legalised, but we should research and consider the reconmendations.
p.s. tip - never go to a random small town in Holland and try and buy 'coke' from a guy behind a bar. They get very confused and then
upset with you. Seems you need to ask for cola, not coke 
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Jasper
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 03:27 PM |
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Yeah - you've highlighted a major issue whenever people try to discuss this subject. The term 'drug user' seems to include your man
chronically addicted to heroin (or GBL for that matter) and your other man who might smoke a joint on occassion, have the odd Ecstacy or line of coke
at a party and drink in moderation.
Would a man who drinks alcohol in moderation label himself with the same term as the man sitting on a park bench with a can of Special Brew? They are
both 'Alcohol Users' but behave in a totally different way.
What does really worry me is what started this thread off - new untested untried and unresearched drugs that suddenly appear on the internet - stuff
like Meow Meow, GHB (GBL) and whatever new thing they come up with next. This stuff is potentially very dangerous but seemingly very easy to get hold
of. Surely as you say if a party drug like Ecstacy was properly regulated in some way it would take some of the danger of these news drugs away, but
then again probably not as there are always people who want to try the next 'thing' no matter what the risks.
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 06:14 PM |
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Haha! Back in from the job I was doing and I thought this would be raging!
Someone told me today that more people die in the UK from bee stings every year than from taking ecstasy. Don't know if it's true but
sounds likely, so bees have got to go! I also believe it takes about 2 kilos of canabis dropped from a great hight to do you any real harm, pre
psycotics aside! (And we don't need them anyway, or is that a psycoticist comment?)
At the end of the day it should be about freedom of choice with the condition that you don't do harm to others by intent or willfull neglect.
People die racing every year, and many on the roads to work as well. Quick, ban all unnecessary car journeys and all racing immediately it is
obviously bad for some peoples health! And so on it goes
It's worth looking up the effects of caffeine withdrawl too, now that's hardcore.
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 06:51 PM |
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drugs are mostly habit forming and pretty unconstructive. I actually know two lads who developed mental issues from smoking too much weed, one was
badly off in High Royds, the other just unable to deal with the paranoia most people get when not used to it.
I will agree the drugs laws are a total joke, as i know a lad who is importing vast quantities of legal highs, and is vat registered for it! They have
a long line of synthetics to work through as each becomes illegal.
I do find myself somewhat isolated in my anti drug views as we all were high as kites as teenagers, and most of my old friends still are. But as said,
it gets you nowhere.
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 06:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
drugs are mostly habit forming and pretty unconstructive.
so is having a tommy tank
Craig
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 07:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
drugs are mostly habit forming and pretty unconstructive.
so is having a tommy tank
and games consoles, which is why i dont have one!
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scootz
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 07:29 PM |
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Speaking of games consoles... I bought a PS3 when they first came out and only bought my first game last month!
I used to love Tomb Raider and Doom on the PS1 back in the day, so my first purchase was Tomb Raider: Underworld. Why can't things just stay
the same! I can't operate Lara any more and am in real danger of losing interest as it's just so complex and frustrating 
Think I'll go up to the attic and fetch down my Atari for a game of Pong!
It's Evolution Baby!
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 08:08 PM |
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Pong was awesome, if thats the one with bouncing balls that split up
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scootz
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 08:10 PM |
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T'was indeed!
It's Evolution Baby!
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MikeR
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 10:07 PM |
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tangent alerty -> Atari spent a lot of time tweeking the game play of pong to make it as enjoyable (addictive) as possible.
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scootz
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| posted on 7/12/10 at 10:10 PM |
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It's Evolution Baby!
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Jasper
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 10:26 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Speaking of games consoles... I bought a PS3 when they first came out and only bought my first game last month!
I used to love Tomb Raider and Doom on the PS1 back in the day, so my first purchase was Tomb Raider: Underworld. Why can't things just stay
the same! I can't operate Lara any more and am in real danger of losing interest as it's just so complex and frustrating
Think I'll go up to the attic and fetch down my Atari for a game of Pong!
Oh that's really good to hear, I used to love playing computer games then about a year ago I started to find they were getting really hard (or I
was just getting old!). I tried playing Rainbow 6 I think it was on the PC and couldn't get past the first level! I've been tempted to get
a PS3 to play GT5 but I know I'll play it for about a week then get stuck.
I think I'll stick with Super Mario Kart on the Wii, I can just about cope with that!
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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MikeR
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 12:11 PM |
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I do love how lots of people say that canabis isn't bad for you - seems most professionals think it causes long term issues and medium term
paranoia .......... which others on here seem to back up.
Probably safe on small infrequent doeses ......... but when does it become a risk?
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Jasper
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 02:21 PM |
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I don't think anybody would say smoking cannabis has NO risk or isn't bad for you - eat too many donuts and you'll probably end up
with high cholesterol etc etc.
It's the amount of risk and damage that's important here, and cannabis has regularly shown to be a much lower heath risk generally than
most other intoxicants including alcohol. Would you rather be a bit paranoid, or have cirrohis of the liver?
[Edited on 8/12/10 by Jasper]
If you're not living life on the edge you're taking up too much room.
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 07:54 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
I do love how lots of people say that canabis isn't bad for you - seems most professionals think it causes long term issues and medium term
paranoia .......... which others on here seem to back up.
Probably safe on small infrequent doeses ......... but when does it become a risk?
Where on earth do you get this tosh from? I am in my mid/late 40's and most of my friends are too or are older. Some of these hold senior
positions. I have been a relatively heavy toker for over 30 years as have at least 80% of the people I know probabaly more! No isues amongst any of us
more than the usual problems people sometimes experience. None that I know have had adverse effects from using Mary Jane! Most scientists actually
agree with this, who do you think is a profesional? And yes I know some of those too. One guy, a nuero specialist who helped with the cannabis trials
in hospitals. He is a convinced of the benefits of using herb. Then there's the two MS sufferers I personaly know, the only thing that helps
them is a smoke, but perhaps they should not do it any more as some misguided individuals don't like it.
Now lets consider the damage that alchohol causes! I can point to several deaths of people I used to know from direct use of, or from being killed by
a pissed driver! (Olly you are still missed mate). Grrr!.
No problem there though as it is legal to drink your self to death and the other driver toped himself at the same time, you might even get a liver on
the NHS so you can keep going a bit longer if you're lucky!
I really don't want to keep on with this, but it really makes my blood boil when people know vitualy nothing about the subject they are so happy
to pontificate about Daily Mail readers, this means YOU!
Right, I'm off to roll a fat one before practising my brain surgery techniques on the cat, .......again!
Out of interest, this guy (link below) was considered a clever chap, perhaps he is the sort of professional we should take notice of!
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/63.html
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 09:09 PM |
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Some wise words!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5UBNjXfIfs
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 10:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Strontium Dog
I have been a relatively heavy toker for over 30 years as have at least 80% of the people I know probabaly more! No isues amongst any of us more than
the usual problems people sometimes experience.
You seem to come across as quite aggressive though; isn't that another symptom of long term use?
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Strontium Dog
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| posted on 8/12/10 at 10:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by Strontium Dog
I have been a relatively heavy toker for over 30 years as have at least 80% of the people I know probabaly more! No isues amongst any of us more than
the usual problems people sometimes experience.
You seem to come across as quite aggressive though; isn't that another symptom of long term use?
If you say so, you are the expert it seems, although I think you may be confusing pot with something else! Personally though I'd go with
Harvard Proffesor of Psycology Mr.Grinspoon but I guess he is not one of the experts someone was going on about! In most people a long term use tends
to lead to pacifistic tendancies and a love of the arts, maybe I'm the exception!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Grinspoon
[Edited on 8/12/10 by Strontium Dog]
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