indykid
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 12:12 AM |
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ban sale to the public. organised displays are worth seeing, (the ones that have plenty of funding behind them, not local pubs) but normal cheapy
crappy fireworks are aimed seemingly at hooligans, rockets and banging stuff. theres nothing to see, nothing to appreciate, just raw power that in the
wrong hands (their target market i'm sure) are dangerous.
i like a good starburst mortar, but even roman candles are pathetic these days!
god, i'm starting to sound like an old man. I'll leave it at that and go cower in the corner with the cat
tom
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phelpsa
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 09:10 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
I agree that they are a pain in the arse (now), and one of my kids (22 months) was a bit upset, but how many people on here (blokes one and all, but
you can correct me if I'm wrong) as a teenager/youth didn't like playing with fire/swinging on ropes over huge drops/wishing we had a
firework to throw about/wanted to own a socially irresponsible sports car and generally like doing things that annoyed the elder generation?
I would like to know what you have done to your dog to make it frightened of loud bangs? We used to take the wife's dog with us to firework
displays and none of the cats that I've had have ever been bothered by fireworks.
Umm, I never get the urge to go out, buy a firework and thow it at someones car to see how much damage it will do, and I never really get the urge to
go and set myself alight either (allthough I do like swinging on a rope over huge drops and if you can call a Gixer engined locost socially
irresponcible then.... )
Adam
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chrisg
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 02:41 PM |
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Can you imagine if we'd never had Bonfire night?
And somebody gets up in parliament and says
"I know we've got a yob problem, but let's arm them with high explosives for one month every year"
Can you imagine the uproar?
Organised displays only.
Cheers
Chris
(Oh and I'd outlaw the demanding sweets with menaces that happens on Halloween)
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 05:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chrisg
(Oh and I'd outlaw the demanding sweets with menaces that happens on Halloween)
Thats easy to solve
1stly when they say trick or treat ask them what the trick is, and they never have one, and tehn cus they havnt got a trick say no sweets and then
finaly use urs fav water pistol
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 06:41 PM |
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'trick or treat'
'heres a trick.'
*bucket of icy water, exit stage left*
job done.
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indykid
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 09:42 PM |
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real clever.
then all you have to do is wait for the hail of eggs, stones at windows, keyed paintwork etc etc etc.
it just ain't worth opening the door. perhaps you've had different experiences though, as not many people live in such close proximity to
one of the roughest council estates in england, whilst having a good enough upbringing not to join in the "fun".
burn all the damned chavs, thats what i say. i'd happily take on assylum seekers if we could send one of the chavs back to where they fled
from
tom
officialy sick of cleaning eggy crap up!
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 09:45 PM |
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we must live in a nice place cus we never have anything like that however some 1 did nick or pumpkin
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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phelpsa
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 09:52 PM |
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we live 75 meters from the road so noone can see our house, therefore we never get any of that shite.
Adam
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indykid
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 10:04 PM |
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you got your pumpkin nicked? bloody hell, we seem to get everything nicked. i won't park the indy at home garaged or not as i know it would not
last the night.
our house used to be in a nice area when my parents moved in. however, then they built the estates.................................doh!
about 2 minutes walk from our house, they built a complex/assylum for drug addicts. the police know about the crime wave that eminates from it as
darkness falls, and want it shut down. now they're starting putting assylum seekers in there 
as its a victorian doctors house, in a mining village, (not far from the national mining museum) theres no room for a substancial garage, it'll
stay garaged the other side of dewsbury until i build my steel fort.
see if they can get into that. ha ha
tom
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I love speed :-P
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 10:05 PM |
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well the best bit is the night b4 they nicked some screen wash (was blue in a labless containor) which they thought was meths
however they never nick anything else
Don't Steal
The Government doesn’t like the competition
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indykid
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 10:14 PM |
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best one we've had was a kid who kept nicking our milk one or two pints a day. blamed it on the milkman at first, but then got the cctv going.
same kid each day, arrived 5 mins after the milkman had left.
the police werent interested, but did say "if you see him riding down the road, give him a quick nudge, just make sure he does'nt get a
look at your plates"
the youth of today just don't seem to be afraid of getting caught, cos after all, what's anyone going to do to them. you cant touch em cos
it'll b you that goes down!
grrrr
right i'm done now, no more
tom
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 10:20 PM |
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my g/f was gutted that no kids came round.she had sweets and al that! round here, they have the parents going out with them, and no mischief at all!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 10:51 PM |
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we just get nice little under 12's knockling on our doors for sweets on halloween. What you should really be bitching about is the 'devil
worship' aspect of halloween, not the fact you have to cought up a few quids sweets.
I bought bangers (when you could, before they were banned) and the worse thing we did with them was to blow up cow shyte.
I was round a mates house on 6th, he had a house warming combined with a fireworks night. Hes a rivch git with a 500k plus quid house near ascot.
He let of several 100 quids worth of fireworks in the garden for the 80+ guests.
This could not have happened if they had a blanket ban.
the 'miserable old git' but perhaps correct view is that if people brought up their friggin kids right, perhaps even with the luxury of
two stable parents, then they wouldn do stuff with fireworks.
Misuse of Fireworks may be a symptom of a degrading society.
come the revolution.... actually, if I took enogth rockets to bits it could start one
atb
steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 11:03 PM |
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i think the only two issues that need addressing are misuse by delinquants, and use after hours, be that 11 or 12. if they made late night use a
specific offence under the next public order act, it would get enough publicity that maybe people would remember, like driving on the phone now gets
remembered.
as for kids who throw them at cars, and other equally daft things, the courts need to go medEval on their collective ass. same for dropping bricks off
bridges, same for sabotaging railway lines. once these twats start getting 3 years MIN in a young offenders holiday camp, their comrades might start
to remember that these actions are not wise.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 7/11/04 at 11:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
remember, like driving on the phone now gets remembered.
I see so many people using phones while driving you would think the fine was three smarties.
atb
steve
[Edited on 7/11/04 by stephen_gusterson]
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philgregson
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 02:25 PM |
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quote:
i think the only two issues that need addressing are misuse by delinquants, and use after hours, be that 11 or 12. if they made late night use a
specific offence under the next public order act, it would get enough publicity that maybe people would remember, like driving on the phone now gets
remembered.
Nice Idea in an ideal world but.....
When A fire work was chucked at my car I had no idea where from - it was dark. I called the police but the kids would have seen them comming long
before they arrived.
Kids who throw fire works at cars driving up main roads are hardly likely to desist beacuse they have just realised it is ten pm and it isn't
allowed to let them off then.
Two more examples:
Many years ago I was a passenger in a friends car when it was stoned at trafficlights outside a council estate. We chased then and they eventually
ran into a house - we knocked on the door and an 'adult' answered, told us his kids hadn't been out and if we didn't leave he
would call the police. We saved him the trouble and called them ourselves - they told us that if the parents were going to stick up for them we may
as well forget it!!
Secondly: I was working with a team on a council estate in Stockton and local kids were trying to set fire to our equipment, vandalising our gear and
swinging on our abseil ropes (we were carrying out concrete repairs on a council tower block). We got fed up and chased after them. After we failed
to catch them we called plod who not only said that they couldn't do anything but warned us off chasing them.
You can have all the antisocial type laws in the world but they are, for the most part, unenforcable.
We can't say that anyone should be allowed to own a gun but make it illeagal to shoot people, expecting no one to get shot, and likewise the
only way to stop firework abuse is to stop fire works. It is a sad state of afairs and is a symptom of a greater breakdown of values in society. I
don't like banning things at all but unfortunately it seems as if we can't trust the 'great' british public to behave in a
responsible manner if we dont.
This ranting has got to stop - it's not good for me.
Phil
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ned
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 02:43 PM |
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Fireworks?
Well, I know where all the local benefit money goes this time of year. Ban them and allow organised/licensed events only. At least that way the locals
can spend their benefit money on drink, drugs or a new louder stereo.
We called out the council late one night (day of a big football match) after being told to ring back later 3 times (after 11pm by this point). They
came round, listened, said oh yes that is loud and then told us they there are certain addresses they wouldn't go and knock on because they know
who lives there and they'd send a letter a week later. fat lot of good that did.
Thankfully this year the fireworks haven't been as bad as previous years..
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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UncleFista
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 02:57 PM |
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Personally, I think fireworks should be left alone and the sale of dogs should be strictly controlled. I don't see why people should change
their behaviour because some people choose to own dogs. If you choose to own a dog, then it's your responsibility to "protect" it
from the majority of people who don't want a dog, and shouldn't have to change their behaviour to suit the selfish minority
In my experience, I've yet to stand in a pile of firework shite....
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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Peteff
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 03:51 PM |
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Nice ding in a car round the corner.
Hit on the bonnet by a f**k off great rocket with a plastic nosecone falling out the sky onto it. We dog owners with a social conscience clean up
after our dogs and as far as I know my dog never damaged anyones car or took anyones hand off.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3991015.stm
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 8/11/04 at 06:52 PM |
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Fair enough
I'm not for a second saying that "every" dog shits outside my house ready for my kids to stand in and squidge into my carpet
(although recently it seems like it) what I AM saying is that someone who chooses to have a dog has to think of the world as it stands. It's
pointless buying a dog and expecting the world to change and peoples rights or traditions to be withdrawn because your dog might be a bit nervous
?!?
Its within anyones rights to own a dog, but it's also anyones right to buy fireworks, it's utterly selfish to expect people to change
their lives because they have made a choice to own a dog.
Dunno about anywhere else, but the "responsible dog owners" around here are vastly outnumbered by the twats who've bought a dog and
have no interest in either cleaning up after them or shutting them up.
I'm neither a dog owner nor a fireworks fan, although I've been both in the past.
As for a firework blowing your hand off and dogs being "safe" my son plays with neither, but he's at far more risk of permanent
blindness due to dog faeces rather than being burned by a firework
The statistics show over 100 people per year are permanently blinded by the "Toxicara" parasite passed by dog shite, most of them
children. That's a danger 365 days a year rather than the few days per year that fireworks are a problem.
Also it seems that according to stats;
28% Never clean up after their dogs
72% Clean up after their dog/s whilst in the vicinity of other people
77% Turn a blind eye when their not being watched by others
I know which I'd rather live without ;(
Live and let live, but don't try to change my rights because YOU have made a decision to own a small nervous animal quite unsuited for town life
BTW This isn't aimed at anyone in particular, it's just one of my pet subjects I might not agree with you but I'll defend to the
death your right to say it
[Edited on 8/11/04 by UncleFista]
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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ayoungman
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| posted on 17/11/04 at 05:58 PM |
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Fire bloody works
Here in sunny Erith, some of the lesser brained inhabitants have found that if you put some of the ground launched morters in a phone box and let them
off----- it blows out the glass and BENDS the doors out of shape !
God knows what sort of potential they've got.
Surely, with todays terrorist threat, we really don't need to be making this stuff so available !
"just like that !"
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 17/11/04 at 06:53 PM |
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you dont need fireworks to cause a problem.
a year or so, i saw a film called october sky. its about a guy called homer hickham, who in the 50's with a group of friends, had rocketry as a
hobby. Homer went on to work for nasa, and was a trainer on the shuttle program.
The film was based on his book, rocket boys.
In the book it describes three types of propellant that can be used in a home built rocket. all ingredients are easy to find.
The end result was a rocket that went to 30,000 feet.
the difference between a rocket and a missile is that a rocket goes up, and a missile is pointed at things.
draw your own conclusions.
atb
steve
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