Jon Ison
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 04:26 PM |
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yup, i will vote........
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Peteff
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 04:46 PM |
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Jon
you can use more than 3 words in this thread.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 04:59 PM |
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oh, i did'nt
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 05:00 PM |
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realise that, sorry
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zilspeed
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 05:23 PM |
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You can stop
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zilspeed
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 05:24 PM |
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that now ok 
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 06:41 PM |
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Done the deed. Think voting should be mandatory.
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 06:45 PM |
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quote:
I have about had enough of the labour "everybody can work in the service industry, you don't need manufacturing" government
ISTR that dear old Maggie managed to get rid of the vast majority of our heavy industry & manufacturing capability. Once it's gone,
it's hard to get it back.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 07:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Pearson
quote:
I have about had enough of the labour "everybody can work in the service industry, you don't need manufacturing" government
ISTR that dear old Maggie managed to get rid of the vast majority of our heavy industry & manufacturing capability. Once it's gone,
it's hard to get it back.
Too right...it was the encouragment for everyone to become a business man rather than a technical person that killed off a lot of industry. That and
at the time the economy was crap. Its also one of the reasons there is a shortage of skilled workers now (of the ages 25-35 anyway).
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 07:28 PM |
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i voted conservative once, when i was more stupid than i am now (debatable) in 1979.
anyone that can remember the maggie dictatorship surely cannot think of voting that lot back in. my mortgage has twice hit 15% in the times of the
conservatives. Just think on that - your mortgage could DOUBLE - literally - if they scre up again.
ettering is the 5th most vulnerable labour seat. Phil sawford has actually done a lot trying to get the vote - from the look of my letter box. the
cons havent done much.
Is it just me, or did howard look a complete twat runningon the campaign trail a couple days back?
since when did the cons talk about boosting manufacturing?
all 3 votes went labour in this house
atb
steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 07:31 PM |
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i liked two conservative policies, namely the 20,000 extra prison places, and the end of early release.
but my consience couldnt weigh this up against the possibility of them stuffing other stuff up worse.
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Cita
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 07:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian Pearson
Done the deed. Think voting should be mandatory.
You must be joking!
Belgium is one of the few country's in the world where voting is mandatory.
Because of this the politicians dont have to worry about "how do we get people to vote".
There is absolutely nothing that can defend mandatory voting!
Cheers Cita
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flak monkey
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 07:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
My mortgage has twice hit 15% in the times of the conservatives. Just think on that - your mortgage could DOUBLE - literally - if they scre up
again.
since when did the cons talk about boosting manufacturing?
Too right...! My parents were on about this over easter. When they just bought their first house the interest rates went mad, and the mortgage went
throught the roof and nearly crippled them. I just hope i dont run into the same problem in a few years!
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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zilspeed
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 08:37 PM |
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quote:
anyone that can remember the maggie dictatorship surely cannot think of voting that lot back in. my mortgage has twice hit 15% in the times of the
conservatives. Just think on that - your mortgage could DOUBLE - literally - if they scre up again.
Indeed Steve.
I know many people who never really recovered from this, sold at negative equity and are irretrievably crippled by this for the rest of their
lives.
I will, of course be proven wrong in around half an hour's time when Mr Dimbleby comes on the telly and tells us that the polls say we have a
new prime minister.
However - much as I suspect that a lot of people want to give the current prime minister a bloody nose because of Iraq - they will also think of the
low interest rate and think that far more important than Iraq. I suspect that domestic economy will outweigh foreign policy when it comes to putting
the X in the box.
We'll see very soon now...
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Noodle
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 09:10 PM |
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I think things ought to be put into perspective.
Governments don't wield large amounts of fiscal power - they pretty much go with the flow of the pervasive economic currents.
By and large, our economy will follow Europe's, with a bit better/bit worse here and there.
Don't get your knickers in a twist that one party or another are great/crap when they inherit certain economic conditions and keep their fingers
crossed for a prevailing wind.
Remember, both main parties backed the New Crusades (sorry, the "War On Terror" )
Anyone who vehemently pushes the case for a political party over another (when they're basically the same anyway) wants to relax a bit. Chill.
Life's too short.
Cheers,
Neil.
Your sort make me sick
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zilspeed
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 09:31 PM |
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What kind of Rotary ?
Mazda or NSU ?
I was speaking to a Sylva striker driver at Forrestburn hilclimb at the weekend. I remembered the car as having previously house a Mazda rotary on a
weber 48IDA and was curious as to why it was now ford CVH powered.
He said that he had got fed up of rotor tip seals. Reckoned that it was still an issue with them.
Any thoughts ?
John F - Rotary amateur and no authority on the subject
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JoelP
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 09:41 PM |
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er.... did i miss something there?!
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clbarclay
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 10:48 PM |
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After the torys came to power last, it was said a socialist goverment would never get elected into power again. Hence new labour that debatably is not
a socialist goverment.
The same could be said for the torys.
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undecided
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| posted on 5/5/05 at 10:58 PM |
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1980's 15% interest rate is enough reason to not let the tory toads back on the perch......especially that dodger prat howard......
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niceperson709
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 06:05 AM |
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Originally posted by Ian Pearson
Done the deed. Think voting should be mandatory.
You must be joking!
Belgium is one of the few country's in the world where voting is mandatory.
Because of this the politicians dont have to worry about "how do we get people to vote".
There is absolutely nothing that can defend mandatory voting!
As a long tome expat living and voting In Australia don't be so dismisive of manditory voting we have it here and it at least makes everyone
part of the democratic process and we have preferential voting to now that makes things inresting .........
Best wishes
Iain
Best wishes IAIN
life is not the rehearsal , it's the show so don't sit there thinking about it DO IT NOW
http://iainseven.wordpress.com/
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Noodle
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 10:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by zilspeed
What kind of Rotary ?
Mazda or NSU ?
I was speaking to a Sylva striker driver at Forrestburn hilclimb at the weekend. I remembered the car as having previously house a Mazda rotary on a
weber 48IDA and was curious as to why it was now ford CVH powered.
He said that he had got fed up of rotor tip seals. Reckoned that it was still an issue with them.
Any thoughts ?
John F - Rotary amateur and no authority on the subject
I'm no expert either. As long as the oil's good then the motor should last a decent amount of time, where "decent" is a
suitably woolly word for "Blimey - hope it doesn't blow up."
I'm taking the carbs off and will probably go MegaSquirt. The engine's a 12A from an '83 RX-7. The whole car cost somewhere near
nothing and comes with a live axle and a cracking 5 speed gearbox as used in the MX-5.
I'm making my own throttle bodies and the like for it.
I'm also looking in to using the RX-7 struts and brakes.
<Hijack over>
Your sort make me sick
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Lawnmower
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 09:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
So I'm not telling
[Edited on 5/5/05 by Peteff]
Except its not,- ever noticed the little code numbers on the ballot paper?
Once got told these were to help track the votes of BNP supporters.
(oops, this refers to secret ballot)
[Edited on 6/5/05 by Lawnmower]
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Cita
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 09:26 PM |
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As a long tome expat living and voting In Australia don't be so dismisive of manditory voting we have it here and it at least makes everyone
part of the democratic process and we have preferential voting to now that makes things inresting .........
Best wishes
Iain
If it was democratic i would'nt been forced to participate in making a political choice.
Ofcourse you have the possibility to make no choice at all but what's the point than of being forced to go and bring out a non legal vote.
In a democracy you are free to decide wether you like to vote or not IMHO.
Cheers,Cita
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niceperson709
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 10:11 PM |
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Hi Cita
well here on OZ only a very small number of people advocate an end to compulsoury voting . And we always have voting on a saturday so it is the most
convenient for the most people to vote . I understand your reservations about the compulsion but really is it that bad ? At our local polling booth it
is always a socal event {there is usually some one raffling a wheelbarrow of booze } and in the end
we have a dynamic democracy that EVERYONE has areal stake in not just the commited suporters of one persausaion or another . As i mentioned in my
previous post we also have preverential Voting which has a lot to recomend it . If you are say a Green supporter but you know that your chosen
candidate will not get in then you heffevctively have a second choice so your vote will count in the final result . this is particularly significant
in electorates with more than two candidates . Democracy is a precious instution and making it work in one place is not necessarilly going to provide
a universal template but the bigest threat to any democracy is APATHY so I am willing to concede that compulsion is not ideal but it can be justified
Best wishes
Iain
"Vote early and vote often "
Best wishes IAIN
life is not the rehearsal , it's the show so don't sit there thinking about it DO IT NOW
http://iainseven.wordpress.com/
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spunky
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| posted on 6/5/05 at 10:25 PM |
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Grrrr
Am I the only person that looks back fondly on the Thatcher years.?
I did my growing up during her 'reign' and have prospered. I had my own house at 20 and made a mint when I sold it, I started working the
day I finished my last o level and have never been out of work since. (incedently I was in the coal mines when Scargil and Maggie went head to head).
I have never claimed a single penny from the nanny state. Sure the 15% morgage rate was tough but you weather the storm.
Personally I'm sat ready for the economic collapse that is inevitable thanks to Tony's 'nice and stable' economy that has
allowed the consumer debt in this country to exceed the GDP. And when it comes I'll grab myself a another house at the expense of some poor sap
who believed what the grinning sycophant Blair told them.
I quote Mr B liar earlier today,
"the people have spoken, they have said they want a labour government, but with a reduced majority"
I suppose thats one way to interperate the result!!!
BTW ballot papers can be traced back to the voter, thats what the serial number is for, but it is illegal to do so. Go figure....
At least we retained Mercer in this area, He's the one that pushed the bill to allow you to hurt buglars
Rant over
John (a proud member of thatchers generation)
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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