Noodle
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| posted on 20/5/05 at 12:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
There are times and places for that sort of driving and the public highway is not one of them.
Why not if he's a pro and it's empty?
Your sort make me sick
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Hellfire
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| posted on 20/5/05 at 12:13 PM |
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I'm a professional too. Does that give me the right to drive at 159mph on an empty motorway? I think not.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 20/5/05 at 12:17 PM |
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I have a slightly different viewpoint on all this.
There was no need for the officer to be driving at that speed, HOWEVER, he was causing no harm in the conditions in which he did drive at that
speed.
Rather than condemning the officer, we should look at the whole police system that has blamed speed as the root of all
evil.......................because it isn't.
Speed appropriate to the conditions is what should be instilled. At rush hour on a busy motorway, 70mph is NOT appropriate, but unless there is an
accident, it is difficult to prosecute somebody for using speed inappropriate to the conditions but within the speed limit.
On the same road when it is deserted at night, a driver can then be prosecuted for driving at 100mph, when the safety factor is FAR higher than the
same road was in the day and busy traffic at less than 70mph.
The law regarding speeding is insane in my opinion (and no, I don't have any points for speeding on my licence!).
On the road outside my house, with cars parked on both sides and no line of sight in most directions, 30mph is far too fast, but that's the
limit. On the adjoining road with houses only on one side, set back with open ground and clear line of sight in all directions, the limit
is.........you guessed it, still 30mph. I consider both wrong, one is too high, the other too low. The law should reflect speed appropriate to
conditions, not rigid limits.
On a less serious note, and to really stir up the hornets nest, I have travelled at around 190mph on the M69 so 159mph is nowt anyway!! (it was in
somebody elses car I hasten to add )
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Noodle
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| posted on 20/5/05 at 12:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
I'm a professional too. Does that give me the right to drive at 159mph on an empty motorway? I think not.
I too am a professional. I won't be driving at that speed either  , but it doesn't make my arguments any less valid.
Don't get confused between a viewpoint and an opinion. I've put forward a viewpoint, not necessarily my opinion. I actually don't
have an opinion on this, but I may do in the future.
Cheers,
Neil.
p.s. I'll express an opinion when the revolution comes.
Your sort make me sick
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DarrenW
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| posted on 20/5/05 at 01:51 PM |
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There is a lesson to be learnt here;
How do you get a V6 Vectra to do 159mph!!!! We could do with learning that others with VX V6's can learn the tricks. Quite impressive if you ask
me. Might be some lessons for others with VX engined se7ens to learn from.
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andyps
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| posted on 20/5/05 at 04:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DarrenW
How do you get a V6 Vectra to do 159mph!!!!
Fit it with the "ultra accurate" speed recording equipment the police use???
159 in the right circumstances can be safe, and it probably was at the time this guy was doing it. i am not sure how 84 in a 30 could be regarded as
such, unless it is a very unrealistic speed limit.
The problem here is the hypocrasy. Sure, he needs to know how the car handles, he is well trained. Wouldn't we all like to know how our cars
handle on the limit? Many of us may have had advanced driver training. If a non-police officer was taken to court for alleged dangerous driving,
159mph etc these would count for nothing and you would be well advised to not expect much liberty for a few months after the court hearing.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Mr G
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 12:14 PM |
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There have been a few threads on the 150mph+ speeding copper but I thought i'd revive this one as it seems the longest.
A re-trial has been ordered & his acquittal overturned, all details can be found
HERE
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andyps
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 01:29 PM |
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I still don't know how I really feel on this. As I said before, I think that 159mph can be safe on a motorway (there are plently of places in
Germany where it is legal), but the 84 in a 30 is a definite no-no.
If he gets away with it, then it proves that the speed can be safe, but there should be no exemptions for police who appear to be "having a
play" as I think is the case here. I would love to be able to max my car on the motorway, but have never been brave enough due to the loss of
liberty I would expect to suffer if caught, rather than a worry about safety. It should do about 155 by the way.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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NS Dev
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 03:54 PM |
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I totally agree andyps!
I think that perhaps the speeds are high, but he was "probably" doing them in a situation which was "relatively" safe, and I
would perhaps in his position have done the same...................
HOWEVER.................none of US would have got away with the same thing, whatever the conditions, and as somebody (of the no doubt many on here!!)
who has been stopped for speeding on an empty deserted motorway late in the night by an unmarked car and fined to boost strike rate figures, I say he
should face the exact same penalties that any of use would, which would presumably range from a lengthy ban to a term in prison depending on whether
the offence was deemed to be speeding or reckless driving??????
(PS incidentally.............his speed was pretty slow if he was actually trying!!!, I "might" have travelled at a speed considerably in
excess of that, around 190mph, of course this was on a private road you understand!!!!)
[Edited on 1/2/06 by NS Dev]
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iank
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 05:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by andyps
I still don't know how I really feel on this. As I said before, I think that 159mph can be safe on a motorway (there are plently of places in
Germany where it is legal), but the 84 in a 30 is a definite no-no.
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I half agree - the unlimited motorways in Germany are safe also because the road surface is up to the job, and everyone is expecting people to be
going very fast so they take extra care. Neither of those are true on English motorways for the most part at the moment. The car and driver are only
half the story.
As my wife was recently done by a revenue gathering van for 37mph (20ft beyond the 30 sign up a steepish hill) getting her 3pts and £60 he really does
need some points and a fine as a minimum else the system is demonstrably hypocritical.
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greggors84
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 05:21 PM |
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Surely instead of letting him do 159mph on the public highway, they should send him round the bowl at millbrook or similar, then he can travel at high
speed to see how his car can handle.
Then if he is invloved in a chase out on the road he will still be prepared.
There isnt that much difference between an empty motorway and the millbrook bowl except for the camber, at 160mph you would have to turn a bit. But at
100mph you can just head straight in the top lane.
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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andyps
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 05:29 PM |
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Originally posted by iank
I half agree - the unlimited motorways in Germany are safe also because the road surface is up to the job, and everyone is expecting people to be
going very fast so they take extra care. Neither of those are true on English motorways for the most part at the moment. The car and driver are only
half the story.
I agree - particularly with respect to other drivers. In the UK you would not expect someone to approach you at 159 mph, whereas in Germany you would.
In this case there was apparently no traffic around.
One interesting point is that he was in a Vauxhall Vectra, and it is debatable whether it would go that quick, but then that brings into question the
accuracy of the recording equipment in the car so the police and defence will be unliely to go that route.....
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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Simon
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 08:40 PM |
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I think he should get the same punishment the rest of us would suffer.
However, I also believe the only reason we have such antiquated speed limits is so Gordon Brown and his cronies can rake of that little bit
more from the rest of us.
I'd like to see the estate I live on change to a 20 ZONE because of the twats in their corsas. Likewise I'd like to some some realism
applied to the rest of our roads.
ATB
Simon
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Triton
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| posted on 1/2/06 at 11:47 PM |
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