spunky
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 08:58 AM |
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Originally posted by jonbeedle
Well what can I say?
If corporal punishment, hanging, national service, tougher laws and the right to beat the living crap out of our kids ( sorry I mean discipline our
kids) and other people's kids when they step out of line, is not the answer then please, someone, tell me what is. Because the system we have at
present ain't working and it's going to get worse.
Jonbeedle for Prime Minister I say....
i too was subjected to corporal punishment at school, on one occasion made the mistake of challenging the legality of it. (it had just been outlawed
in state schools) After 6 thrashes with the cane I was asked to leave the room then come back in again.... for another 6 lashes! I never challenged it
again. 
There were fights at school of course, but if it got out of control the headmaster issued boxing gloves to the combatants and they sorted it out in a
controled manner. No knives were ever carried nor used.
Ahhh..... truly the happiest days of my life.
John
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 11:12 AM |
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YEEEHAWWW!
If there are so many people with the same opinion (mine) and I expect It's the majority of British people, then why are we letting 600
politicians and those Europrats in Brussels overule the other 60 million of us?
There are a handful of politically correct do gooders who constantly screw things up for the rest of us just because we sit back and let them. This is
why people who defend their homes go to jail and the perpetrators of the misery are allowed to sue for compensation. This is also why yobs on the
street get away with unacceptable behaviour, because it's not right to discipline them because they're misunderstood. Cobblers!
It's time to stand up for what you believe in. Stand up and be counted. " Vive la revolution!"
[Edited on 17/7/05 by jonbeedle]
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 12:44 PM |
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ferral youths are my bugbear. they seem to have lost their fear of authority.
and what is frightening is that its happened in the last 12-15 years when i was in primary school we were all sh£t scarred of the teachers and the
police. this is not the case now and i'm not sure why.
there is a shortcut through my garden which cuts about 150 yards. kids just walkthrough like its their right this started hapening in the last 5 years
if you shout they just ignore you and carry on walking.gate installed now
to go back to something mentioned earlier ex soldier beats up kid. If a kid was outside my house jumping on my car what does he expect to happen?
what would happen if he did it to his fathers car? He can't have been surprised by the guys reaction. Not saying its right to beat up a kid
for jumping on a car but if i caught someone burgling my house they would get a hiding and driven to the mountains in the middle of the night and left
there.
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 01:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Rorty
If that's not reason enough for corporal punishment then why bother going on!
Why would you carry knives in the first place, even if you do have a "licence" (?) for them? What if one of the other lads decided to take
you on?
I think your whole attitude stinks and shows little respect for anyone, least of all yourself.
I went to two different boarding schools where I was subjected to corporal punishment and I can honestly say I benefited from it and so did thousands
of other people of that era. I learnt manners, respect, social skills and how to read and write the Queens English; something else that evades you.
You're attitude towards your schooling is disgraceful; why not take on the lessons that are being offered you instead of trying to disrupt the
process?
I had hoped you were having a wind up, but it appears not as you exhibit no morality nor embarrasment in what you say.
I would be ashamed to be related to someone like that.
you dont appear to have read my post ...
as i said i was carrying the Knives home from Kung Fu
seven star praying mantis kung fu to be precise as i use them in my lessons ...
also what i was saying was at a school where the teachers are trying to be so strict that it becomes a joke then the majority of youths includiny
myself will see it as a challenge to see how far we can push it .. BUT at the school i am at at the moment where the teachers speak to us and treat
us with some respect not as an inferior human being then we learn alot more and there is alot less disruption of lessons due to bad behavior ...
i was trying to show that when students are treated with a bit of respect we in turn show more respect for the teachers ..
and with the issue of knives i dont know what i would have done if they had called my bluff because that is not something you have to think about
BECAUSE they will never call your bluff you average chav is a coward who carries a weapon to give them an inherrant advantage but if you happen to
have one like i did because i was on my way home fom my kung fu lesson .. then you put yourself back on a level playing feild in their eyes and they
get scared ..
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 01:50 PM |
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quote:
There were fights at school of course, but if it got out of control the headmaster issued boxing gloves to the combatants and they sorted it
out in a controled manner. No knives were ever carried nor used.
an idea like this would work a way for people to sort out disputes in a controlled manor ... this may sound stupid to you but if more people took up a
martial art or some kind of fighting discipline such as boxing kick boxing etc then there would be alot less violence because these kind of fighting
disciplines are a way or releasing pent up agression in a controlled way. you learn control over your body and also discipline .
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Rorty
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 02:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andrew+dad
you dont appear to have read my post ...
as i said i was carrying the Knives home from Kung Fu
seven star praying mantis kung fu to be precise as i use them in my lessons ...
I did read your post which is why I responded. I reiterate; why would you be carrying those knives (to or from anywhere - it doesn't matter).
What possible use can you have for these knives and why would you need lessons in how to use them?
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 03:04 PM |
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i was carrying them home because i needed them for my lesson we learn how to use them purely because it is part of the martial art and i go to the
lessons because it is a good way to releive stress and it builds discipline ......
have you never done a martial art these knives are to seven star praying mantis kung fu what boxing gloves are to boxing
would you be so critical if i had said i was carrying boxing gloves ??
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 03:11 PM |
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blunt but still knives these are what i was carrying back from my kun fu lesson
and this is the kind of think that was pulled on me ...
[Edited on 17/7/05 by Andrew+dad]
[Edited on 17/7/05 by Andrew+dad]
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Peteff
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 03:33 PM |
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would you be so critical if i had said i was carrying boxing gloves
Not if you said you slept in them  . At least boxing gloves are there to lessen the damage, not cause more. I used to go to Judo classes many years
ago and it was more as a way of keeping fit and flexible than learning to maim people. Till these youths learn discipline they will never be able to
integrate into normal society. If your parents shout at you do you shout back or if asked to do something do you ask why? These are things I see
children doing now and if I'd done them I would have had a sore earhole for my trouble.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 03:41 PM |
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that is precisely what i go to kung for for another way of keeping fit on top of my rugby and weight training ... its not about learning to maim
people and alot of the training we do is about learning how to dissarm someone who has a knife but to know how best to stop a knife attack without
injury you must first learn how to attack with a knife to know your opponent.
as for if i get shouted at do i shout back it all depends on the circumstances
if i have done something wrog and my parents shout at me for it then i wont shout back and will do what im being asked to do
if its my dad shouting at me for no apparent reason when i was not the one at fault and he has no way of prooving i was when i know i wasnt then yes i
will shout back ...
as for when im asked to do something no i dont ask why i usually do it ...
of course sometimes we all get a bit pissed off and will just shout back because were annoyed but so would you have done ...
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 05:01 PM |
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I studied Karate up to black belt. Karate is Japanese for 'Empty Hands' i.e no weapons.
It is a discipline which involves the harmonisation of mind body and spirit, it has nothing to do with fighting. It can be used to defend oneself but
it is primarily for overall self improvement.
We circuit trained for physical fitness, we sparred to show spirit and respect to one another, performed Kata to discipline our minds and meditated
to calm ourselves, relieve stress and to reflect on our being.
We were taught that if threatened in the street then we should run like buggery. Anyone caught using their martial art unnecessarily would be banned
from the club and would also face criminal charges. Only in EXTREME circumstances were you permitted to use your martial art in self defense or
defense of others.
Just thought I mention this.
Cheers
Jon.
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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Rorty
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 09:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andrew+dad
i was carrying them home because i needed them for my lesson we learn how to use them purely because it is part of the martial art and i go to the
lessons because it is a good way to releive stress and it builds discipline ......
have you never done a martial art these knives are to seven star praying mantis kung fu what boxing gloves are to boxing
would you be so critical if i had said i was carrying boxing gloves ??
I used to be good at Judo and was on a national team when I was in my early twenties.
I still don't understand why you feel the need to associate with such nasty weapons and I can't believe you're still proudly ranting
on about those knives in the face of all this negative feedback.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 11:25 PM |
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im not proudly ranting on about the knives im explaining why i was carrying them ..... because people kept saying why were you carrying them in the
first place ... so i said why i was carrying them is that too hard for you to understand ??
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Rorty
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| posted on 17/7/05 at 11:36 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andrew+dad
im not proudly ranting on about the knives im explaining why i was carrying them ..... because people kept saying why were you carrying them in the
first place ... so i said why i was carrying them is that too hard for you to understand ??
I think we all fully understand why you were carying them (on your way home from your knife lessons!), but what I can't comprehend is why you
would want knife fighting lessons in the first instance. Claiming you need to know how to defend yourself in the event you're attacked by other
knife-wielding thugs is disturbing and a pathetic cop-out.
I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking to an anarchic hooligan.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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Noodle
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 08:56 AM |
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Take sprinting lessons.
Learn to run away from knife-wielding chavs!
Various knock-on health benefits too.
Neil.
Seriously, it's a socially-downward spiral to arm against attack. Bad guys will up the ante with guns/acid/gound to ground rocket propelled
grenades/whatever, then eveyone else will too.
Your sort make me sick
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NS Dev
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 09:59 AM |
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Everything is about responsibility.
Take that responsibility away from people and they gradually become out of control.
Anybody can carry a knife responsibly. Yes I would question why one would need to but it can be done. When I used to work at the farm a knife in the
pocket was just a tool for the job.
The more people are told that they CAN'T do something, the more they will want to do it to prove something.
To change tack, it is the same with "speeding". Speed appropriate to the conditions can be viewed as responsible, but when blanket limits
are enforced to ridiculous levels, without regard for what those limits are trying to achieve, then problems will occur.
The comparisons with the USA I "PERSONALLY" feel are valid. It would seem that nobody is responsible for anything that goes wrong there,
they can always sue somebody else and pass the buck..........well sod that, we should own up to our fcuk ups and carry the can for them.
Anyway, rant over, see y'all l8r
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Monkey Man
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 02:01 PM |
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I can't believe how people have responded to Andrew here. As he quite correctly pointed out respect breeds respect while violence breeds
violence.
He while being repeatedly insulted and blamed for all the perceived problems of the 'younger generation' has responded politely and has
shown more respect to other posters here than anyone here has shown him.
He is the one setting the good example which you should follow.
You hear of one fight in a country of sixty million people and then take out all of your anger and frustration on some poor kid who had nothing to do
with it.
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an atmosphere of mutual respect is a much better learning environment then when a teacher tries to make you fear them ..
You hooligan Andrew. You're just trying to start a fight!
People are the same as always we just hear about more of the nasty stuff on the news.
Sorry if I come across as a little peeved. I'm just astonished that people are complaining about a violent society given that the solutions
offered are all violent and uncivilised. That doesn't strike you as a bit odd?
Where are the figures that show society is getting more violent? In what way since when? Or are you basing it all on what you hear on the news? You
don't hear a word about all the people the police catch and convict do you?
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James
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 02:24 PM |
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Originally posted by Monkey Man
I can't believe how people have responded to Andrew here. As he quite correctly pointed out respect breeds respect while violence breeds
violence.
He while being repeatedly insulted and blamed for all the perceived problems of the 'younger generation' has responded politely and has
shown more respect to other posters here than anyone here has shown him.
He is the one setting the good example which you should follow.
Where are the figures that show society is getting more violent? In what way since when? Or are you basing it all on what you hear on the news? You
don't hear a word about all the people the police catch and convict do you?
Agree with you 100%- I'm shocked by how Andrew has been spoken to.
The media are fantastic at portraying an increase in violence etc. but they love to sensationalise issues as it sells more. I have not seen any
independent figures that say that violence is particularly on the increase.
And saying that cutting hands off and the like stops theft- rubbish! They'd have only had to do it once if that was the case and those sorts of
punishments still go on now. They still do public beheading in Saudi why do they have to do that more once if it acted as a deterrent.
As for training using knives- why on earth not. Criminals are going to carry them anyway so you might aswell train law abiding people. It's not
the weapon that commits the crime it's the person holding it.
Cheers,
James
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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Noodle
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 02:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JamesThey still do public beheading in Saudi why do they have to do that more once if it acted as a
deterrent.
Beheading criminals more than once? Surely the lesson's been learned after the first time?
Neil.
[Edited on 18/7/05 by Noodle]
Your sort make me sick
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marcyboy
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 04:25 PM |
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a person willing to use a knife would surely be willing to use any implement wether it be a glass, beer bottle or baseball bat i think alot of kids
carry them "incase" whatever that means...and would never use them even if provoked...but a small minority use them at the drop of a hat
and were not talking swiss army knifes that fold very easily, a couple of years ago i bought 2 knives and both were very vicious looking and both
cheap one with a 2" blade was £2.25 and the 3" blade one was £1.50 both lock knives easily available from one of those buy any old tat
type of shops,and i don't think the shopkeepers cared who they sold em to because they were at the front by the tills and at a low level(maybe
for the gurhkas),
you've got to be quite cold to sink a knife into somebody, but don't most knife attacks occur in the home ...kitchen knifes at that...
angry pre menstrual women allegedly 
the way things are going in a few years school kids will be going around with shooters, then the other kids think well you don't take a knife to
a gunfight and thus the snowball effect will sweep thru most cities like wildfire
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 05:55 PM |
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thank you to monkey man and james for seeing my point and defending me i am not an anarchic holligan as i have been reffered to as .... honestly where
did that come from.
i dont see you peoples reason for criticising me what is in your opinions wrong with learning how to defend yourself in a knife fight ??
why just learn to kick a knife out of someones hand why not go on to learn how to pick it up and do some really funky spinny stuff with it to scare
the willies out of your would be attacker ???
i was not saying
i carried my kung fu knives with me the other night when i went out on the wee because i wanted someone to start on me so i could stab them WAS I
if i had bene i could have been able to understand your unfair comments and attacks on my person.
as it stand if any of you in light of what ive just made EVEN clearer and what monkey man and james have said would like to apologise for what theyve
said which i very much doubt you can u2u me if you dont want to do it publicly but do realise that you have "been an arse"
~regards~
Andrew
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 08:58 PM |
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That's enough......
Ok guys I reckon that's enough on this subject.
It's ok to have a difference of opinion, it's what makes the world an interesting place. It's also good to have a healthy discussion
and to appreciate each others views. Everyone has a personal view to express and that should be respected, but under no circumstances should it become
personal. So before it does, let us all declare the subject closed for now and get on with talking about cars and related trivia and helping each
other the way we have done so in the past.
Peace, brothers I love you all!
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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marcyboy
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 09:02 PM |
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no it ends when it expires not when you say so
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jonbeedle
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 09:31 PM |
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I didn't say so, I merely made a suggestion
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion however stupid!"
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marcyboy
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| posted on 18/7/05 at 09:49 PM |
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